Let me first introduce myself, I'm a Belgian mapper that has been lurking for a few months on this mailing list. The reason is that I want to learn how other communities work and which problems they have and how they solve them.
Now back to the topic: in Belgium it's quite common to have streets with two names, at least when they are on the border of two villages. The Belgian community decided to map this as follows: name = name1 - name2 name:left = name1 name:right = name2 An example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/207455046 What are your thoughts about this ? regards m On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM, SK53 <sk53....@gmail.com> wrote: > There are at least two major streets in the middle of > Nottingham<http://osm.org/go/eu8Y~fqF2?layers=N>like this: logically the > street does not have a name, the sides of the > street have names: > > - North of the Council House, the S side is Smith Row, the N side is > Long Row > - South of the Council House, the S side is Poultry, the N side > Cheapside (originally Rotten Row) > > These names originate as locations in the market square, as can be seen by > other survivals such as Beastmarket Hill. Where the square is now an open > plaza the name of the rows of buildings have been transferred to the > thoroughfare. The addresses on Cheapside are even more complex because the > shops also have entrances in Exchange Arcade and are let as units of this > shopping arcade. The Austin Reed shop appears to have at least 4 addresses > from the Royal Mail, OS, Nottingham council & Austin Reed website: all in > all a mess. > > Other places where this occurs include: Sherwin Road/Castle > Boulevard<http://osm.org/go/eu8Y2Tvhr?layers=N>, > where the W end of Sherwin Road has houses with Castle Boulevard addresses > on the S side. In this case I resolved it by tagging the footpath with the > Caste Boulevard name. This discrepancy arose because the two roads were > merged when the roundabout was built in the 1920s. > > I recently noticed a case where the Land Registry data for a small new > build terrace had been resolved by using the name of the terrace as a > building name. Fail. In some towns (Bangor, N. Wales, comes to mind) many > houses were built as named terraces with numbers within the terrace. > Although Bangor has been relatively recently house-numbered a simple > inspection of addresses painted on rubbish bins suggests that the original > addresses are still in use. > > Broadly speaking we should try and do this better than the OS Open Data > because it does happen fairly frequently. name:left and name:right can be > used even if no-one consumes them at present. It is useful to try and map > addresses in such cases, and these are the one case where I am happy to use > the associatedStreet relation. This at least enables the correct grouping > of entities for the 'street'. > > Perhaps the challenge is twofold: > > - Persuading people that streets with addresses might not be named. > (The Royal Mail seems generally to adopt a Procrustean solution to force > everything to fit PAF). > - Working out how to consume such data (mainly for rendering). > > Jerry > > > > > On 14 May 2014 10:07, Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> There's one like that in Oxford (for about 30 metres) - street addresses >> different on the two sides. For the moment it has name="St Clements >> Street", alt_name="London Place", and a separate footway with name="London >> Place" (plus a name:note). >> >> So my suggestion - draw separate footways, and give them names. Use >> name/alt_name on the road, or name = "one name / other name" if both seem >> equally valid. >> >> Richard >> >> >> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Steven Horner >> <ste...@stevenhorner.com>wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> It's interesting and highlights a few problems local to me, some I had >>> buried my head in the sand temporarily because I don't know how to fix them >>> correctly. My biggest problem when tagging roads is what to name a road >>> when either side of the road is a different street. For instance the >>> analysis highlights "Myrtle Grove" as missing here: >>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/map_browser?bbox=415474,536751,415809,537148&referrer=area >>> >>> Myrtle grove is the South side of the road labeled Chestnut Grove and >>> continues around to where the Road is labeled Elm Gardens. Almost all of >>> the streets in the estate are like this, where it is very misleading >>> because opposite sides of the road is a different named street. How should >>> this be mapped, I have steered clear of fixing it because I couldn't find >>> any guidance on how it should be labeled and technically is it even wrong. >>> The actual building footprints I have added the correct addresses to. >>> >>> I use various OS products in my day job and interestingly OSM labels the >>> streets exactly the same as Vectormap Local does, anyone looking at either >>> OS or OSM maps would not be able to find Myrtle Grove. Another street where >>> I have always though was labeled wrong in the village is Roddymoor Road, >>> there is no street sign and I have near heard anyone refer to it as this. >>> The street on part of this road is not labeled (buildings are) it is East >>> Terrace and that's how anyone describing it or looking at signs would >>> describe it. Again OS do this the same which is probably why OSM has it >>> tagged like this. >>> >>> All of this highlights that while OS Locator may have a difference and >>> is fantastic for finding potential problems, changing it so OS Locator >>> comparisons are 100% may not be the correct solution? >>> >>> Any help appreciated and apologies if I should ask in a different list, >>> surely this is an incredibly common problem that I have somehow missed the >>> obvious solution to. >>> >>> regards, >>> Steven >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Shaun McDonald < >>> sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> ITO’s OSM Analysis has been updated with the latest OS Locator data. >>>> Most places have dropped out of the 100% completeness compared to OS >>>> Locator. There’s now 18 places which have less than 95% completeness. >>>> >>>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main >>>> >>>> Shaun McDonald >>>> Developer >>>> ITO World >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-GB mailing list >>>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.stevenhorner.com <http://www.stevenhorner.com> >>> @stevenhorner <http://twitter.com/stevenhorner> >>> 0191 645 2265 >>> stevenhorner >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >
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