Scottish Communities are equivalent to Civil Parishes in England, but
with much fewer powers. The whole of Scotland has been divided into
Communities - there are no "unparished areas" like there are in England.
However, relatively few Communities actually have a Council. In terms of
administrative hierarchy, they come under a Scottish Council, which is
effectively a Unitary Authority.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_council#Scotland for more
info.
Concerning the boundaries of Scottish Communities, these are not
included in OS Boundary-Line as such. The data does include "unnamed
polygons" which may correspond to Communities, but I have not found any
documented link.
Regarding their inclusion in OSM, why not use admin_level=10, in line
with the rest of the UK?
I agree with Jerry that we need to have a rethink around
admin_level=5/6/8. The regions (admin_level=5) no longer exist as an
administrative entity, so perhaps we should scrap the regions as
boundary=administrative (possibly change to boundary=statistical?) and
use admin_level=5 for the new Combined Authorities. And the Metropolitan
Districts in Merseyside, Greater Manchester etc are sometimes
admin_level=6 (they are effectively, but not legally, Unitary
Authorities) and sometimes admin_level=8 (as subareas of Metropolitan
Counties, which no longer exist as administrative entities).
Colin
On 2018-05-26 15:32, SK53 wrote:
> Adding such things tends to be down to local mappers. The best source for
> accurate boundaries is OS Open Data Boundary Line: this needs a little
> experience to process well, but IIRC JOSM handles it reasonably well.
>
> I don't think area committees, at least in Argyll & Bute, have anything like
> the same powers and responsibilities as English District Councils (the main
> admin_level=8 grouping), and technically are committees of the full council
> just like finance, planning etc., rather than being separate legal entities.
> (Such powers as are delegated are mentioned alongside the basic delegations
> to officers needed for effective administration, see A&B's constitution [2].
> A good concrete example is that English District Councils have Returning
> Officers, whereas the A&B Returning Officer is the Head of Customer
> Services.) Nor am I sure if the area committees have any dedicated staff,
> although I find it hard to see how they can achieve anything without a
> minimum of secretarial support.
>
> I would therefore suggest these are not formal administrative boundaries (in
> OSM terms), and certainly the admin_level=8 should be avoided. We don't do
> well in keeping non-formal admin boundaries separate from other types of
> boundaries (e.g., wards which are essentially a political boundary determined
> by the boundary commission, even if ward councillors may get limited budgets
> and councils may align service provision with the wards).
>
> As an interim approach I'd suggest using admin_level=9, but I think we could
> do with a bit more of a re-think of some of our boundary tagging (the bodies
> with powers 'devolved' upwards, such as the West Midlands Combined Authority
> (currently tagged admin_level=6, but an anomaly), is another case.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 26 May 2018 at 13:48, S M <llamas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, this is my first post on this forum.
>>
>> My question is: is there any reason why community councils in Scotland are
>> not mapped? I ask because I do a lot of mapping in Angus, and I was planning
>> to map the community councils for Angus council area, but I wanted to check
>> first. These community councils do not have as many powers as English civil
>> parishes and Welsh communities, but they do have a few statutory powers.
>>
>> If they have just not been done yet, I will get started doing Angus council
>> area's community councils, and I can do Edinburgh's as well. They would be
>> admin_level=10 to fit with English civil parishes and Welsh communities. It
>> is worth noting that Scotland also has "area committees" which some council
>> areas (such as Glasgow, Aberdeenshire, Argyll and Bute etc) have devolved
>> certain powers to. If these were to be mapped they would be admin_level=8
>> presumably.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Saoirse
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