Hi John, Just to make sure I haven't missed something:
When you say "the council tax band for your house is published now under the Open Government Licence v3" I assume you mean individual records available from the Check your Council Tax band service? Those records are covered by OGL but that excludes the address data, which is subject to additional OS terms. As far as I know, VOA doesn't publish property-level Council Tax band data for download in bulk, though of course I'd be pleased to find a source. Owen Boswarva On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 at 19:20, John Rowbotham via Talk-GB < [email protected]> wrote: > I used to work for the Valuation Office Agency as a surveyor (which led, > many years later to my mapping spree here!). > > > > Absolutely right that there's been little political will to perform > revaluations. Famously a very senior Tory politician took the VOA by > surprise by effectively cancelling a national revaluation in the 1980s by > casually announcing in Parliament that people could 'tear up' the request > documents sent to them. And we all know what happened in Scotland when the > community charge (poll tax) was introduced there as a replacement for old > domestic rating. > > > > The data we produced - the business rateable value for a commercial > premises and the council tax band for your house is published now under the > Open Government Licence v3. As I am sure many know, this allows anyone to > use the data, publish it, add it to something else...providing credit is > given. The business RV isn't really of use but the domestic banding might > help give an indication that a terrace (often Band A in my part of the > world) is 'high end' or more modern. What may be of wider use from the > council tax list is the effective date. For properties built post 1993 > when Council Tax began in England and Wales it can be a very useful guide > to the construction date. You need to check the lists with care (it's NOT > the construction date, as it's the occupation date, so it's close...but the > current effective date may be later as the banding may have been revised as > discussed in this thread). I've only ever used that information as a > conversation starter to check on site if I don't have any other source. > > > > There were MANY changes each month to each rating list for each council > area. They were mainly for business rateable values, but yes, even keeping > up with bands changing in one borough is indeed quite literally a full time > job. > > > > Inspecting properties with noting but a tape measure and pencil was hard, > fun and quite revealing...with many a quirky tale to tell...and all useful > training for mapping hobbies some decades later. > > > > John <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/no%20details%20provided%20here>. > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, August 5th 2025, 17:46 > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Council tax bands, addresses and UPRNs under OGL > > Sorry if this is pedantic but , in my council area at least, changes after > home improvements are not made until the house also changes hands. My own > entry on the register has a marking to say it should be adjusted when I > sell, with regard to an extension I had many years ago. > > > Chris ( Allotmentcyclist) > > > > On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 at 12:01, Jon Pennycook <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Regarding council tax bands - I wonder if we should add it to OSM, as >> opposed to storing elsewhere and then some kind of data added to OSM which >> would point to the source. After all, in theory council tax bands could >> change during each regular valuation (although no Government has dared to >> allow a complete re-valuation across the country). Also, it's possible to >> change your tax band in theory by making changes to your house. It's not >> something that I would expect mappers to check (or even know how to), so >> wouldn't be updated. >> >> Addresses and UPRNs, plus working out if properties are subdivided, on >> the other hand sound like they could be useful. >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 at 11:32, Andy Mabbett <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>> In a series of blog posts, the latest of which is: >>> >>> https://www.owenboswarva.com/blog/post-addr12.htm >>> >>> my friend Owen Boswarva describes how he has obtained council tax >>> bands, addresses and UPRNs under OGL, from Leeds, Birmingham, >>> Lichfield and Hackney councils (and some of the data from Nottingham) >>> and made them available. >>> >>> Can we now import the data, using address matching? Can we use it to >>> find buildings that are mapped as single dwellings, but which are in >>> fact subdivided? >>> >>> -- >>> Andy Mabbett >>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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