DIT Study of Balbriggan Thanks for the suggestions Donal, Ruairi and Dave, these give me a few things to explore with the class and teachers.
On using HOTOSM, generally you need some sort of humanitarian/environmental call to action that is urgent and I don't think Balbriggan has that. Mapcraft can be explored, and if there are other things that are simpler now is the time to suggest them. Now on the big one from Rory (yes it is helpful). - The mappers will first identify a theme or focus, and map according to achieving a level of completeness defined by themselves and within a boundary defined by themselves. At this stage I have suggested (before you did) they join this mailing list and seek volunteer OSM users to consult on what tagging might be best - Students are not paid to map, nor are they instructed to map any particular way, so they are utterly open to feedback. They are encouraged to find out what conventional tagging is in use and learn about OSM. The project hasn't got here yet but my feeling was they would document what they wanted to do once they start and do it ahead of time so the interested members of the community could comment - I will take the suggestion to them that a teacher or class nominee posts as much as possible up (and what they feel comfortable with) so that the project is as transparent as possible. However, I would stop well short of assuming that new users need higher forms of visibility because they are a class group or because they are new users - I will be explaining the general principles of OSM to them in a couple of meetings, it will be made clear that the mapping in Balbriggan is osm data and not their personal geodatabase I think we need to focus here, as you did, on the massive shot in the arm that groups working in particular areas can be to the OSM project overall, especially if there is a local community link. They will be working with both the political and community interests in the town, which may give a further exposure to the fact that there is a big free database called OSM. Ciaran On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Rory McCann <r...@technomancy.org> wrote: > Hi, > > That's a great idea, some minor thoughts and a big one: > > If the students use Mapillary that would be great, because it means > other people can check the "source" in case someone made a mistake. And > we can use the mapillary images ourselves to map things the students > might have missed. > > JOSM is good, but iD has a new feature where someone can "request > review" which could allow the community to help the mapper¹. > > So the big bit: > > This is now referred to as "Organized Editing"², and the OSM Data > Working Group is requesting feedback on any Policy that should be > created, similar to the Import Guidelines³ (which you all should fill > out!). It's to cover paid mapping, and (since elitist Germans want to > bash HOT & Missing Maps) any "organised mapathon". > > The main question is: Who is telling the mapper what to map? How much > freedom does the mapper have? > > If I see a dodgy/bad edit, the OSM approach is to contact the mapper and > talk to them. But if the person who uploaded it is being paid to map it, > then they don't have any freedom to act differently, they're just doing > their job. I can't suggest that someone not add a certain thing, if the > would get fired for not adding it! I should really be talking to their > manager. > > Some classes (etc) are designed for the students to learn about OSM, and > the students are only required to map /something/. In which case I have > to talk to the student. It sounds like this is where the mappers will be > told what to map. > > I suggest that the person in charge of the project post a diary entry > (they do already have an OSM account, right??) explaining their project, > what their experience with OSM is, where they'll be mapping, what they > will be adding, what the source is, who the team members will be, etc. > All of the team members should probably have a separate OSM account for > the mapping, and in their OSM user profile mention that they are working > on a certain project, and include a link to the person in charge of the > project. Perhaps they should also details in changeset comments/tags > about the project. This way, if anyone sees a dodgy edit, we know who to > ask about it. > > It's also important that the people running this project know about OSM. > Sometimes people think it's a generic geo-data-store, where you have > private layers, and can just store whatever you need to there. Nope, > we're all in one database. So other mappers might come along and > fix/change/improve/delete something you add, if appropriate. This may or > not affect your project. Sometimes people react to this with "We need > the data in this form for our project, stop changing/deleting it". But > if the data is "wrong" (by OSM standards) then tough. This could be a > problem for a project, so they should (i) be aware of it and (ii) have > some idea of what they should do if this happens. > > The other thing that could help is for the leader and members to post to > this mailing list, or try to get engaged in the OSM community. OSM is > both a free geo-database, and a community of people who want to create a > free geo-database. Engagement with the community could help them learn a > lot more, get questions answered, get help, etc. > > It would be great to spruce up data in some places, and (hopefully) > spawn more mappers! > > Hope that helps, > > Rory > > ---- > ¹ http://neis-one.org/2017/09/review-requests-osm/ > ² https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organized_Editing_Policy > ³ https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/09/22/dwg-survey-on-orga > nised-editing/ > > > On 27/09/17 00:48, Ciarán Staunton wrote: > >> Dublin Institute of Technology are running a semester long class study of >> Balbriggan. This is with their undergrads B.Sc in Environmental Management >> and Spatial Planning. They have decided to use openstreetmap for >> Balbriggan, but obviously it would need a lot of detail added to get the >> particular data they want. >> >> I have talked to their teachers and advised them on getting JOSM into >> their >> lab machines to do some desktop mapping initially. However, they want to >> also survey so I have recommended Mapillary, Street Complete, OSM tracker, >> and maps.me... as well as a paper solution with field papers. >> >> Has anyone else heard of a localised effort like this? I think the class >> has 20 students. >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> >> _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
