On 05/09/2018, Colm Moore <colmmoor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:fortification%20type=ringfort?uselang=en-GB > > > Was someone running a project on mapping / tidying-up raths / ringforts? I > notice many are mapped in Cork and Kilkenny, but few elsewhere.
User b-unicycling has added most of the Kilkenny ringforts (from some external source, I can't recall exactly but I had checked with her that it was ODBL-compatible) and I then fixed the tagging and reviewed a few using Bing and GSGS. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52885942 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55717926 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/55718276 > I haven't come across many of these until the last few weeks. In that time, > I seem to have been tagging them incorrectly. > > Can I check the correct tagging is: > historic=archaeological_site > site_type=fortification > fortification_type=ringfort ? Yes, that's what I've been going for after looking at taginfo and the wiki, but see discussion below. > I checked http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/ for the word "fort", (I didn't > check for name~fort or description~fort) and there are many tagging > variations (not all of these will be ringforts). > > archaeological_site=earthworks > archaeological_site=fort > archaeological_site=ring_fort > archaeological_site=ringfort > castle_type=fortification > castle_type=fortress > earthworks=rath > earthworks=ringfort > earthworks=ringfort (rath) > fortification=ring_ditch > fortification_type=hill_fort > fortification_type=hillfort > fortification_type=ringfort > historic=fort > historic=fortification > historic=hillfort > historic=ring fort > historic=ring_fort > inscription=Ring fort > military=fort > note=Ancient fort > note=Ancient ring fort > note=Fawney (fainne) means ring, maybe the site of a ringfort? Was also > slang to kiss the King/Lords ring. Very interesting as the road is called > the Royal Oak > note=Fort > note=Not sure if these are Barrows or rath, or what the difference is! Ring > fort > note=Not sure if these are Barrows or raths, or what the difference is! Ring > fort > note=Ring Fort? > note=Round Fort? > note=ring fort > note=ringfort > ruins=fort > ruins=ringfort > site_type=earthwork > site_type=earthworks > site_type=enclosure > site_type=fortification > site_type=ring fort > site_type=ringfort > site_type=ringfort;megalith > type=ringfort > wikipedia=en:Ringfort > wikipedia_1=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringfort I last looked at the taginfo numbers about a year ago, let's look again : There seem to be a split between historic=archaeological_site,site_type=fortification,fortification_type=ringfort (~850 uses, Cork and Kilkenny) and historic=earthworks,earthworks=rath (~1750 uses, Kerry). While the later is more popular, I prefer the former for these reasons: * The former seems to fit the OSM worldwide consensus better, and is documented in the wiki. * Everybody knows what a fortification is, but earthwork isn't as clear (sounds like clay pottery to me). * Most Irish people know what a ringfort is, but a rath... I've only encountered the word in OSM. * Maybe earthworks/rath is a better word from an archaeologist's POV. Maybe a ringfort is subtly different from a rath. But I don't know and I expect the average OSM contributor doesn't either, so it seems safer to stick with layman-level "ringfort". > How should I proceed? Rorym seems to be behind most of the earthwork=rath objects, so let's get his opinion first (I'll ping him). From then on, if we agree on the "ringfort" scheme, I'd say use https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/BFD to locate the "earthworks" objects, then load them into josm to check and retag. _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
