Hi, Apologies to the list and Mateusz for the confusion. :) Also apologies if I step on religious toes.
> From: Mateusz Konieczny <matkoni...@tutanota.com> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] religion=* and denomination=* > > Disclaimer: I never visited Ireland > > 27 paź 2020, 14:41 od colmmoor...@hotmail.com: > > > 3. Holy wells, mass rocks and the like. These are predominantly Roman > > Catholic, but possibly with pagan origins. > > Are they still used by pagans/new age people? For OSM purposes current usage > matters, not origins. I concur that current usage matters. I suppose I'm wondering what the other tags should be. The below seem inadequate, not least that amenity=place_of_worship + religion=christian is interpreted as a church, not an open-air location like a Mass Rock (a location where Roman Catholic mass was said when Roman Catholicism was suppressed). name=Holy Well natural=spring religion=christian denomination=roman_catholic name=Mass Rock amenity=place_of_worship religion=christian denomination=roman_catholic > > 5. Many religious-run schools do not have the religion or denomination > > tagged. > > It is a bit tricky as at least some religious-run schools have absolutely no > trace of religion in running of school, there is simply a religious > owner/operator. > > In such cases operator:type=religious would fit better than religion tag As mentioned in the other email, about 95% of schools are religious in ownership, management, and practice, with most of the others being interdenominational or multidenominational. As primary school children usually have one teacher all week, in practice 95%+ of primary school teachers teach religion and need certification. > > 8. There are religion=no, religion=none and denomination=none tags. Should > > these tags be rationalised or otherwise tidied up? > > How this tags are used? Mostly for schools and cemeteries. In some cases, I suspect their use hasn't considered all nuances, e.g. some state-owned schools also have religious patrons or representation on the school board. > > Huh, I though that secularization/atheisation of Ireland was quite far > reaching and nearly complete. (good thing that I included that diclaimer) > > crucifixes in most classrooms applies also to Poland, but "school boards pray > at the start of board meetings" would be likely to be considered as > ridiculous. Don't worry, many people here consider it ridiculous as well. > AFAIK "teachers need to be certified to teach religion" applies only to > teachers teaching religion here and "Religious organisations own the vast > majority of schools" does not apply (mostly result of WW II damage and > communist occupation). We have the reverse problem. Our constitution was written in 1937. On the one hand, it has a republican tradition, on the other, it was co-written by a bishop. There is a right to property in the constitution that was probably designed to be anti-communist, but it just so happens to be frustrating the transfer of under-used state-assisted schools from Roman Catholic patronage to interdenominational or multidenominational patronage. Colm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead _______________________________________________ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
