Errington wrote: > I think we should remember that we are not mapping Korea for Koreans, we > are mapping it for everybody. >
Yes, it’s true. We are mapping it for everyone. However, I think it cannot be a reason that we put or remain English name in name tag. Most countries including China, Japan, Finland, Italy, Switzerland are using their local name in name tag. Finland and Switzerland has several official languages but many name tags are represented by ‘the most common language of the region’ (Helsinki in Finland: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1372477580, Fribourg in Switzerland: http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1685926271) >From such perspective, it looks like that global consensus on name tag is ‘local name’. In case of South Korea, it is Korean name. I understand your concern because I had similar problem when I travel foreign Countries. However, I think the problem should be discussed in global view and solved by other method rather than tricking on name tag. I have an idea how it should work, which would require some software > support, but remember, we have plenty of time, and the data we are putting > in now might not be usable for some time, until the software is ready. > It's important to have a goal, and be patient that it will take some time > to reach it. > I don’t agree with ‘plenty of time.’ It’s an indefinite postponement. It will be difficult to convince people think “Korean (English)” is not following OSM global rule. No naming rule will have majority and current confusion will remain. I think we can spend plenty of time for discussing naming rule, but we must not depend on things not in our hands. Best regards, 느림보 / Nrimbo. 2017-03-05 20:09 GMT+09:00 Andrew Errington <erringt...@gmail.com>: > I think we should remember that we are not mapping Korea for Koreans, we > are mapping it for everybody. > > I have an idea how it should work, which would require some software > support, but remember, we have plenty of time, and the data we are putting > in now might not be usable for some time, until the software is ready. > It's important to have a goal, and be patient that it will take some time > to reach it. > > Best wishes, > > Andrew > > On Mar 5, 2017 7:21 PM, "Yongmin Hong" <li...@revi.pe.kr> wrote: > >> Again, the problem is the software rendering the map data, not the data >> itself. We can agree that Republic of Korea does not use English as an >> official languages, so let's continue here. The global OSM community's >> consensus seem to be using the official language of the given location (for >> example, in New Zealand, where their official language is both English >> and Māori, it makes sense to have both languages in the `name` tag. Same >> for Hong Kong.).[1] But this is not the case for Korea. Korea does not >> recognize English as the official languages. As such, we should be using >> Korean as a main `name` tag, imo. `name` should point to authoritative name >> of a given location, and usually English is not the official name of a >> given location in Korea. >> >> Openstreetmap Wiki ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names ) says... >> >> The common default name. (Note: For disputed areas, please use the name >> as displayed on, e.g., street signs for the name tag. Put all alternatives >> into either localized name tags (e.g., name:tr/name:el) or the variants >> (e.g., loc_name/old_name/alt_name). Thank you.) >> >> >> [1]: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names >> >> If you want to change this behavior, you will have to get a consensus on >> a global level. >> >> -- >> Yongmin >> https://wp.revi.blog >> Please note that this address is list-only address and any non-mailing >> list mails will be treated as spam. >> Please use https://encrypt.to/0x947f156f16250de39788c3c35b625da5beff197a. >> >> 2017. 3. 5. 17:00 최규성 <kyusung.c...@gmail.com> 작성: >> >> As a result, it is against the idea of Yongmin. If OSM was designed only >> for Koreans and by Koreans, it would have been agreeable. But, as many of >> us would agree, OSM is designed as a global map for everyone in the world. >> The map of Italy region is also lack of something. The Korean who can't >> understand Italian (like me) becomes illiterate when I see it, which needs >> to be improved. In this regard, I evaluate that OSM labeling style for >> Korea region is more advanced than that for Italy. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ko mailing list >> Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ko mailing list > Talk-ko@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ko > >
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