If we have the numbers, then it's the subway-branch tag that will eventually give way in favor of shop-branch-code. Ok let's proceed :-)
2011/4/28 Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> > Hi, > > I checked other instances of the branch tag elsewhere in the world and > it seems that they are also using it in the same way that we do. Some > examples: > > 1. A Barclay's bank in England: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/253409198 > 2. A KFC store in Australia: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/49553998 > 3. A Приватбанк bank in the Ukraine: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83925848 > 4. A Waitrose supermarket in England: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/34520881 > 5. A Сбербанк России bank in Russia: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/618791144 > 6. A Vodafone store in England: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/638868816 > > I guess we can proceed? Hehehe. > > Anyway, branch is a "non-standard" tag so I'll bring this topic up in > the international tagging mailing list to hopefully make this usage > official. > > Eugene > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> wrote: > > if UK is already using branch tag for transportation (subway), and in PH > for > > shop's "branch code", and if it happens another country is using it for > > another purpose; then in the end UK users will probably win since they > > started using 'branch' ahead of us; that is if somebody started using > > 'branch' for rendering-purposes of worldwide osm mapdata. > > > > By this time, we'll be in trouble trying to rename again all our 'branch' > > assignments just to comply & to be consistent with the official tagging > > scheme. > > > > Maybe we if we don't like 'name:branch' (because it's too long) :-), > let's > > use branch:ph or something else just to be on the safe side (for > > future-proofing sake). What do you guys think? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> If you check out this link maning gave, you can see that it's used > >> outside the Philippines, too: > >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#values > >> > >> I checked out the usages in the UK and they are apparently using it to > >> tag Underground (subway) branch lines. I have yet to check the usages > >> in other countries. > >> > >> I'll try to bring it up to the tagging mailing list. But anyway, I > >> think we can use it as long as we are consistent. We can always rename > >> the tag if the international OSM community decides otherwise. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > 'name:branch' is just something I invented. Besides the reasons as I > >> > already > >> > stated earlier (like bunching of similar tag by natural sorting-order > of > >> > josm), I hesitated using plain 'branch' tag earlier because I'm afraid > >> > it > >> > may be reserved for other generic/universal purpose in osm (that I'm > not > >> > aware of and produce conflict later...) and I'm too lazy to do > research. > >> > :-) > >> > > >> > Now it appears no one is using or will be using 'branch' other than > the > >> > PH's > >> > definition of a shop's "branch name or code". > >> > > >> > ok then, let's adapt 'branch', just rename all name:branch you'll find > >> > while > >> > editing, and let's hope it becomes adapted by osm. :-) > >> > > >> > (no problem with garmin map, since we treat both branch & name:branch > as > >> > valid tags in the style filter, until such time we renamed all > >> > name:branch > >> > for consistency). > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar < > sea...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> So does everyone agree that we should use "branch" instead of > >> >> "name:branch" as the key for the tag? > >> >> > >> >> (I prefer "branch" because it's faster to type with autocomplete: > "br") > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, maning sambale > >> >> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > Nothing on the wiki, but, it used even outside the PH (although > more > >> >> > than half is here in the PH): > >> >> > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/branch#values > >> >> > > http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Philippines/En/top_undocumented_keys.html > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Rally de Leon <rall...@gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> ok lang ako with plain branch, it's easier to type. I have no > >> >> >> problem > >> >> >> typing it on josm editor, since it's autofill, once it detects the > >> >> >> presence > >> >> >> of at least one name:branch tag in your work area. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> 'name:branch' is just a personal preference because name & > >> >> >> name:branch > >> >> >> shows > >> >> >> in sequential/alphabetical order on JOSM. It's nicer to look at, > and > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> like > >> >> >> the name-association approach in our other openstreetmap. eg. the > >> >> >> way > >> >> >> we use > >> >> >> place:ph which appears close to other place tags (i like the fact > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> closely-related-tags tend to bunch together) :-) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> anyway, whatever is agreed upon, i'll follow. (what's the approach > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> osm people worldwide or they don't care about the branches?) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:18 PM, maning sambale > >> >> >> <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> I agree with all your points, perhaps we can start adding the > >> >> >>> branch > >> >> >>> tag to all common POIs (jollibee, mcdo, etc.)? But why use the > >> >> >>> name:branch instead of just the branch tag? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Of course, I will follow whatever we agree as a group. ;) > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Rally de Leon < > rall...@gmail.com> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, maning sambale > >> >> >>> > <emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> +1 for adding the branch tag. > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> @Rally, is there any additional benefit for using the > >> >> >>> >> "name:branch" > >> >> >>> >> key? > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> In the garmin map, it shows as Name - Branch. > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > For garmin map, the plan is to add "name" + "-" + "name:branch" > >> >> >>> > when > >> >> >>> > the > >> >> >>> > map > >> >> >>> > is compiled, so that it's more convenient to search for a > >> >> >>> > particular > >> >> >>> > shop > >> >> >>> > while you're mobile. (need not look at the properties of every > >> >> >>> > poi > >> >> >>> > on > >> >> >>> > the > >> >> >>> > 'search results' to see if you got the correct address). I'm > sure > >> >> >>> > gps > >> >> >>> > users > >> >> >>> > know this, and this is the reason why many contributors put the > >> >> >>> > branch-name > >> >> >>> > after the shop's name. > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > So why separate (if we will combine them altogether again for > >> >> >>> > garmin > >> >> >>> > map)?, > >> >> >>> > because others may want to extract all the Jollibee's, > >> >> >>> > Metrobanks, > >> >> >>> > Mecury > >> >> >>> > Drugs, 7-Eleven's etc. It's much much easier to filter out a > >> >> >>> > specific > >> >> >>> > brand > >> >> >>> > (for whatever purpose it may serve, eg. market study). > >> >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > If in the future, I want all my Shell Stations to have a unique > >> >> >>> > custom > >> >> >>> > Icon, > >> >> >>> > all I have to do is filter out all name=Shell & amenity=fuel on > >> >> >>> > the > >> >> >>> > style > >> >> >>> > section. If we encourage contributors to put so many different > >> >> >>> > name-branch > >> >> >>> > combinations, we might miss out a few branches in the process. > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com >
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