Marcos, espero que o teres revertido toda a tua contribuição no OSM não queira dizer que vais parar de contribuir. Infelizmente escolheste um tema complicado/complexo/polémico... O OSM em Portugal precisa bastante de contribuidores de dados concretos e físicos: ruas, pontos de interesse, dados de navegação, etc Acho que a discussão em torno dos limites administrativos corre o risco de desviar a atenção do que acho interessante no OSM: dados locais fiáveis e atualizados. Claro que cada um coça a sua pulga, e se calhar o que te motiva são os limites 8-| Se aplicares essa energia que pareces ter em mapear e completar tags com informação recolhida localmente (em pessoa) por ti, a tua zona irá ficar um brinco rapidamente :-) Cumps, VIctor Ferreira
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Marcos Oliveira < marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Olá a todos, > > A reversão terminou e foi um sucesso. Ao contrário do que anteriormente > estipulei, o trabalho todo foi dividido em apenas cinco changesets. [1] [2] > [3] [4] [5] > > O processo em si demorou cinco horas e meia a ser realizado. A maior parte > deste feita entre as 02h30 e as 8h00 sendo que o changeset final (que > consistia em 147 objetos) foi realizado às 12h05. > > Agora e durante os próximos dias irei procurar por erros ou dados que > tenham ficado danificados. > > Também queria avisar que o único problema que surgiu desta reversão foi > que alguns elementos de uma pequena cidade grega foram alterados. [6] A > razão para tal acontecer foi mais provavelmente porque inseri erroneamente > um changeset durante o processo de reversão. > > [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26920648 > [2] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26921181 > [3] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26922209 > [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26922498 > [5] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26927216 > [6] https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/19932294 > > 2014-11-19 0:07 GMT+00:00 Marcos Oliveira <marcosoliveira.2...@gmail.com>: > >> Olá a todos, >> >> Eu queria-vos dar a conhecer que enviei para o Data Working Group (DWG) >> um e-mail sobre esta situação, assim como o pedido para reverter tudo o que >> a minha conta de importação fez desde o dia que a criei. >> >> Coloco abaixo a mensagem que enviei-lhes, na sua integra, para assim >> todos terem o conhecimento do que eu escrevi. >> >> Com toda a estima, >> Marcos Oliveira >> >> Data Working Group, >>> >>> Hello, I am Marcos Oliveira and I'm contacting you to discuss about a >>> current problem that exists in the Portuguese OSM community where I am the >>> sole responsible in question. >>> >>> The issue is regarding the alteration and addition of administrative >>> boundaries and natural parks through my alternate account, >>> ViriatoLusitano_import. [1] >>> >>> A user, Francisco, submitted a thread in the Portuguese mailing list [2] >>> stating how I have been disrespecting the work of others by eliminating >>> nodes, ways and relations, namely places and boundaries (administrative and >>> natural parks), claiming that I've been doing outright vandalism. He also >>> claims to have sent you an e-mail about this situation. >>> >>> Let me show you my version of the story. I want it to be explicitly >>> known that I'm *not claiming* to be innocent, I admit I've done many >>> things wrong but vandalizing is not one of them. >>> >>> Francisco brought forward three main issues that I've caused: >>> >>> 1. The deletion of ways and relations that other users have made >>> 2. The modification of Portugal/Spain boundary >>> 3. The removal of places, namely hamlets >>> >>> Regarding the first point, when I began working on manually importing >>> administrative boundaries back on the 12th of September, I always tried >>> working using the existing elements that were contributed by other people. >>> The problem was that whenever I tried to upload the progress I've done >>> (after successfully validating), there appeared conflicts in the data, >>> sometimes in the hundreds. >>> >>> Since I didn't want to mess and probably ruin different types of data >>> other than administrative boundaries, I opted to first remove the old >>> boundaries where I later carefully imported my own work, without first >>> contacting the Portuguese community about this. >>> >>> Just recently I have learned to use the "replace geometry" tool that the >>> *utilsplugin2* plugin offers to conflate the data; now I can work >>> without ever having to delete a way nor any relations whatsoever. >>> >>> Regarding the second point, while I was working near the boundary with >>> Spain I found out that there were places where the boundary was erroneous: >>> sometimes our (or their) territory was hundreds of meters away from were it >>> was supposed to be. >>> >>> What I've done was, (again, I didn't want to cause any conflicts with >>> the existing data), remove the old way while at the same time replacing it >>> with one that followed official data from CAOP 2014 as well as it having >>> all the tags it previously had, including relations that included said way. >>> >>> Again, in my ignorance, I disregarded it as something unimportant to >>> discuss with the Portuguese and the Spanish community because I thoroughly >>> checked every relation to see if I was not breaking anything. >>> >>> Regarding the third point, I removed a lot of hamlets, not because I >>> didn't like them, but because I was suspicious they were bad data that was >>> transcribed either from gpspostcode [3] (licence not compatible with OSM) >>> or Google because a lot of hamlets had the exact same coordinates as the >>> information provided by the entities I mentioned just now. Once again, I >>> didn't discuss this removal with the community. >>> >>> I've always planned on replacing the data because I don't like removing >>> data from OSM. I asked some family members that live in the same general >>> area where the removals were made about the many hamlets that existed. As >>> of now I've already received information for one municipality which I >>> promptly edited back into OSM. [4] >>> >>> In short, I have removed existing data and replaced it with data that >>> was 100% manually verified that was of same or better quality. The central >>> problem is that I removed the history that contributors before me have >>> made. This is a very big mistake I've done, I admit, but it is not >>> vandalism. >>> >>> Having stated my arguments, I also come to you to ask permission for you >>> to completely revert my import account in order to correct the mistakes >>> I've done. >>> >>> A friendly contributor called naoliv, and I have been trying to find all >>> day a way to successfully conflate the old, deleted data with the new, >>> improved data that I've inserted. What we have found is that it is possible >>> but will take a very long time and it is actually more time efficient to >>> just revert all my edits and start anew, respecting the work of others and >>> the wishes of the community as I should always have done. >>> >>> My motto is to help, not hurt the work of others. >>> >>> I'm deeply sorry for doing what I've done, it won't happen again. >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Marcos Oliveira aka. ViriatoLusitano >>> >>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ViriatoLusitano_import >>> [2] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-pt/2014-November/001038.html >>> [3] http://www.gpspostcode.com/ >>> [4] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6 >>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26834569?node_page=6> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Um Abraço, > Marcos Oliveira > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-pt mailing list > Talk-pt@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-pt > >
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