As I told in the other message, even with the best faith, some companies will just ignore ou forever. Showing the product won't help, as even itransport, which is a fairly accomplished map, does not feature them. I made all this mess about legal questions, to bypass these unwilling companies. I know that, in one month of endless persistancy, there "may" be a chance that they finally listen to me, but before that I wanted to know for certain, that I really needed their authorization.
And about osm, I already said that, on one side, I will very likely be contributing to transiki, but on the other side, I will try to make my own site, that will not engage the responsability of anyone else but me, that will try to implement a more "wild" aproach to the recovering of public transport data. Of course, I would not be starting that without proper, and extensive, legal advice, which is why I see so many lawyers now, and why I will also try again the legal-talk list. But if I find a way to do thus bypassing, even an unperfect way that only grants me good chances, but not absolute certainty of winning, then I will try it, if I know I can separate it from any other person: for OSM, I will only use the geographical layer, and some open source code. So this will not engage anybody, and I will be able to start this dirty data importation... Greetings too Andrei 2010/12/6 Michał Borsuk <michal.bor...@gmail.com> > > > On 6 December 2010 19:00, Andrei Klochko <transportspl...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Good evening, >> i admit it, I know almost nothing about law. I focused on database, >> intellectual property law. These texts are quite small. I know my >> interpretation has no value >> > > There is no such thing as "no value". Do you *really* want to find out > yourself? > > Look, you put quite an effort into those emails here. I'd direct the effort > towards convincing the PT companies in question to releasing their data. As > I may have told you before, showing them the ready product is a way to do > it. > > >> And what he told me was this: in one sentence, I am om the cutting edge of >> law. Which means, he cannot say for certain, wether someone attacking me on >> this, would win or not. > > > Which means that you *may* be breaking law. OK, this is not the worst case > scenarion, so was Google with Youtube, and they got out of it. But you're > not Google, and most importantly, we here at OSM have a very liberal licence > that allows very liberal treatment of the data. Therefore whatever is input > into the database must be as pure as Virgin Mary when it enters the DB. > > On the other hand, it is not that difficult to get a permission. Just hit > the right person in the company. > > But according to him, if I could go to each bus stop, take a picture of the >> timetables on the stop, and then, extract the information to incorporate it >> in my database, while keeping the photo as a proof that I did not use any >> electronic (internet) means to access easily a work that took time to >> gather, then I should be on my right, as I really spent time and effort to >> gather again the same information. >> > > That is again, on the edge of legality, because it is "sequential" (meaning > one-by-one). It is done with the intent to copy the entire database, hence > you'd be stepping into someone else's garden. > > Again, be annoying to the owner, write, fax, call, be nice but persisitent, > you may win.- > >> >> Concerning my former assesment, about "small databases", I admit I was not >> clear enough: First, let us consider >> > > Izvinite, Andriei, but this is not the correct newsgroup (mailing list) for > such elaborations. Let us then not consider further. > > Greetings, > Michał > > > -- > Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, > > > Michał Borsuk > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-transit mailing list > Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit > >
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