On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson <nel...@crynwr.com> wrote: >> Andy Allan writes: >> > On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen <d...@sr71.net> wrote: >> > >> > > There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that >> > > like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say >> > > that it did more harm than good. >> > >> > It did more harm than good. >> >> No, it didn't. I didn't start mapping until TIGER was imported. Why? >> Because I knew that a lot of the work had already been done. Why >> should I waste my time, as you folks in the UK have **been forced** to >> waste your time reinventing an existing map? > > Sorry, which map have we reinvented? I'd love to know which map has an > accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not > a derived interpretation of other base maps. Or maybe you think OSM is > just a road network with some POIs? Or are you again thinking that the > work we've done in OSM is actually inferior to the work available from > the Ordnance Survey? > >> We have a public domain >> map which we could start with. > > If all you're aiming for is a slightly better version of TIGER, then > it was worth starting with TIGER and that's pretty much all you'll > get. Oh, look, that's what happened. >
Absolutely, "me to" approach. And why have all the hassle with community, vandalism … every GIS expert can build a DB with Tiger data. If we don't see osm as a social and community project with a dynamic entirely different from traditional GIS i't a wast of time. compare US with Europe and you will cry, compare it with some places in Africa, India Asia … where people can barely afford GPS and Computers it's a shame how bad the US map is. >> Don't try to cast your impediment as an advantage. It wasn't, and our >> advantage (sensible government policy) isn't an impediment. > > So let me get this straight, your public domain road shapefiles have > been an advantage? And therefore OSM is better in the US than in > Germany? Geez, we're all sure hurting from a lack of imports over > here. I don't think you've really understood just *how* far behind you > are (precisely because of this "advantage", imo) and how much slower > things are progressing on your side of the Atlantic. > > So please, turn away from imports and work on getting mappers in > charge, especially out pounding the streets. The outcome will be much, > much better in the end, and that end will come much, much quicker. > I wouldn't go that far. As long as imports are done by active mappers in their local area and they take responsibility and fix all problems they create with the import. > Cheers, > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > t...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us