This may work well in other states, but in Hawaii, most waterways are  
not navigable, except perhaps over short stretches, and many streams  
are dry most of the time.

-Scott

On Dec 4, 2009, at 20:40, "Matthew Luehrmann" <matthew.luehrm...@gmail.com 
 > wrote:

>> I certainly wouldn't be slogging up thousands of streams and rivers  
>> - most
> of which are on private property  - trying to map any of them myself.
>
> Just as a note for those interested in mapping streams and rivers,  
> "the
> riverbed and banks, up to the ordinary high water mark, are state  
> land, held
> in trust for the public for navigation, fishing, and other non- 
> destructive
> visits."  For more info on the legality of traveling in streams and  
> rivers,
> check out this website:
> http://www.adventuresports.com/river/nors/us-law-menu.htm .  A day  
> kayaking
> or canoeing on the river can be quite relaxing, plus it could result  
> in a
> .GPX track for OSM.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-us-boun...@openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:talk-us-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mike N.
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 19:51
> To: impo...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap U.S.
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data
>
>> Why oh why oh why do some people insist on wasting time trying to  
>> import
> loads of data?
>
>   I like to view OSM data as capable of creating some usable map  
> types on
> its own, rather than just a possible supplemental feed to Google  
> maps in the
> future.  As such, landmarks are key to a standalone map:
>
>    A map without streams and rivers is not real to me.   That's  
> where the
> NHD import comes in.   After the import, I frequently update the  
> actual
> hydrography features for changes caused by new construction.   Not a  
> waste
> of time to me, and the map is useless without those hydro  
> landmarks.   I
> certainly wouldn't be slogging up thousands of streams and rivers -  
> most of
> which are on private property  - trying to map any of them myself.
>
>   Similarly, larger park boundaries could not be reasonably mapped  
> without
> special arrangements from park management to stray off marked trails  
> and
> file your survey plan.   Most parks would not allow casual access  
> off their
> marked trails for good reasons.    So parks are another useful  
> landmark
> import.
>
>  Trails - if accurate, why not use them?  The end result is a good  
> start so
> a later mapper can spend time adding trail landmarks and details  
> rather than
> the trail itself.
>
>   Aside from that, I'll agree that importing just because some data is
> available is not good, and firsthand survey data is much more  
> valuable.
> After all, if someone wants to make their own "voting district" map  
> (which
> can change every year), they just combine the public voting district  
> data
> with the OSM features they need at that time.
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
>
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