Ok I can plan on ignoring those for now, unless I get bored today.
>-----Original Message----- >From: peter.dobr...@gmail.com [mailto:peter.dobr...@gmail.com] >On Behalf Of Peter Dobratz >Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:42 AM >To: Metcalf, Calvin >Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mass towns > >sounds good. > >I think some of the county borders are already in the map as >overlapping Ways, and I was planning on cleaning those up eventually. > >On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) ><calvin.metc...@state.ma.us> wrote: >> Yeah ways on top of ways would be bad, I grabbed the massgis >arcs from survey points without coast which is a file that has >just the linework with off shore boundaries, the ways are >currently already split at junctions, my method is going to be >> 1. take out counties boundaries and state boundary >> 2. take out boundaries already in >> 3. check to see if anything already there corresponds to the >border (river etc) >> >> Would that be helpful or am I missing the source of >duplicate ways/need for splitting? >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: peter.dobr...@gmail.com [mailto:peter.dobr...@gmail.com] >>>On Behalf Of Peter Dobratz >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:56 AM >>>To: Metcalf, Calvin >>>Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; impo...@openstreetmap.org >>>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mass towns >>> >>>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shp-to-osm.jar >>> >>>It's basically just a Java command-line program that reads in a .shp >>>file and produces an .osm file. It can use a configuration (rules) >>>file that allows you to map attributes in the .shp to tags in the >>>.osm, but I just create an empty rules file and add appropriate tags >>>manually. >>> >>>If you find it easier to add Ways without Relations first that would >>>be useful. But I would avoid adding Ways on top of each other, as it >>>would seem like just as much work to start from scratch instead of >>>having to split Ways and delete duplicate Ways before adding them to >>>Relations. >>> >>>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) >>><calvin.metc...@state.ma.us> wrote: >>>> So on ubuntu you can open up a self extracting exe with >>>archive manager (I smacked myself in the head when I learned >>>that, turns out massgis makes them on linux). I'm not >>>familiar with shp-to-osm.jar link? I've been using Merkaartor >>>to convert, but that usually forces me to then use kate or >>>gedit to clean up the tags it makes. I wasn't going to add any >>>extra tags except maybe population (so that a renderer could >>>use the relations to label). Would it make sense for me to >>>add the ways now with relations to come as people are able, or >>>does that sound like it wouldn't save much time? >>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: peter.dobr...@gmail.com [mailto:peter.dobr...@gmail.com] >>>>>On Behalf Of Peter Dobratz >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:06 AM >>>>>To: Metcalf, Calvin >>>>>Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Mass towns >>>>> >>>>>I had just added Tyngsborough and Dunstable and my plan was to work >>>>>along the NH/MA border downward, especially over the >winter when it's >>>>>harder to go out and see things with the snow accumulation. I also >>>>>plan on continuing to clean up NH towns as people often import them >>>>>such that you have lots of overlapping Ways. >>>>> >>>>>For NH towns, I had been starting with the TIGER shapefiles. >>>>>Generally I open the .shp file in QuantumGIS, then select >a town and >>>>>save it as a .shp file using EPSG:4326 - WGS 84 >coordinates. Then I >>>>>run this .shp file through Shp-to-osm.jar with a blank rules.txt. >>>>>This gives me an OSM file without tags that I can open in JOSM in a >>>>>separate layer. If there's already a Way in the map (mostly from a >>>>>border of a neighboring town), then I split and re-use part of the >>>>>existing way and add them to a relation. If there are 2 or more >>>>>overlapping Ways in the map, then I delete all but one of >>>them and add >>>>>it to multiple relations. If the way doesn't exist yet, >>>then I either >>>>>merge a portion from my other layer or for straight lines I >>>just merge >>>>>the 2 end-points instead of the tens of points all along a straight >>>>>line from TIGER. >>>>> >>>>>On the Way itself, I add boundary=administrative and admin_level=4 >>>>>(state), admin_level=6 (county), admin_level=4 (city/town). On the >>>>>relation, I add type=boundary, boundary=administrative, >name=(actual >>>>>name of the town), admin_level=(4, 6, or 8), wikipedia=(appropriate >>>>>article link). Each way of the border is added to the >relation with >>>>>role as outer (unless there's an unusual border where an inner is >>>>>necessary to make a whole in the town or county). Note: it >>>looks like >>>>>you could just as well use type=multipolygon on the relation as the >>>>>values for the roles are identical (inner/outer). >>>>> >>>>>Rather than deleting Ways or Relations in the database, I would >>>>>instead split existing Ways and edit existing Relations if they are >>>>>not right. >>>>> >>>>>For MA, I had also been using TIGER as I looked at MassGIS, but the >>>>>only download I could find was an EXE and wasn't sure how >to extract >>>>>it on Mac or Ubuntu. If you can point me to how to get an >.osm file >>>>>from this on a non-Windows system, that would be helpful. >>>>> >>>>>It is annoying that MassGIS tends to use hundreds of points to >>>>>represent roads where 10 or so would suffice, and I've >been deleting >>>>>hundreds of points on roads near what I happen to be >editing. Also, >>>>>if you do end up pulling stuff from MassGIS, try to avoid >adding tens >>>>>of tags to each way just because there is a MassGIS database >>>field, as >>>>>they are probably not all relevant. >>>>> >>>>>As far as Boston goes, I would think you'd put the whole city in a >>>>>relation with admin_level=8. There's no convention to map smaller >>>>>divisions within a city or town. Looks like the >>>non-agreement on this >>>>>has been summarized on the wiki: >>>>> >>>>>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Neighborhood >>>>> >>>>>Peter >>>>> >>>>>On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) >>>>><calvin.metc...@state.ma.us> wrote: >>>>>> As towns are the primary division in MA that peole tend to >>>>>use I'd like to add them to osm. From what I can tell a few >>>>>have been put in near NH as boundary relations (tyngsborough >>>>>and dunstable) one has been put in as a closed way (stow) and >>>>>10 or so have been put in in the south west as multipolygon >>>relations. >>>>>> Looking for some suggestions on the best way to do it, seems >>>>>to me after playing around a bit last night that it would be >>>>>something along the lines of taking the town boundary arcs >>>>>from massgis, probably simplifing them, deleting any arc >>>>>already up (county boundery, state boundary coast), uploading >>>>>those arcs as ways with boundary=admin and admin_level=8, add >>>>>admin_level=8 to the current 4 and 6 ways, a/d then longer >>>>>term putting in the relations. >>>>>> Is there a better or easier way? Which of the 3 ways used so >>>>>far is prefered (if any). And if I wanted to add cambridge >>>>>and boston neiborhoods how would I tag that (cambridge I made >>>>>myself as cambridge gis somehow figured out how to embed a pdf >>>>>inside a kml). >>>>>> Sent with Verizon Mobile Email >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Talk-us mailing list >>>>>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us