Let's not chide people for keeping this discussion on the list in the open where it belongs.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM, KerryIrons <irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > Alex, > > I am in contact with the mappers involved as they have responded to my > initial message. This discussion with your mappers group has been very > constructive. I am not familiar with your wiki and will look into that. I > am not an OSM/OCM mapper but rather involved in the process of developing > US Bicycle Routes. I have done some mapping work in Google Maps and am > familiar with/frustrated by its limitations. Likewise the MapMyRide > system. I am just learning OSM/OCM. > > At the risk of repeating myself, the goal is to have coordination and > communication with the mapper community during the development of US > Bicycle Routes. Minh Nguyen's efforts in Ohio with US Bicycle Route 50 > show the kind of collaboration that will be productive for all concerned. > > Kerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:12 AM > To: KerryIrons > Cc: Greg Troxel; OpenStreetMap talk-us list > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA > > > This is a concern about there being no active project to develop a route > but having a route showing on OSM/OCM. > > If that's the situation it seems we have a clear cut case at hand: the > routes in question just aren't `proposed`. > > Kerry - have you reviewed the OSM data in question and tried to get in > touch with the mapper(s) who created the route? > > A clarification on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:proposed could > also be in order. > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:53 AM, KerryIrons <irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > Greg, > > You have summarized it well. This is NOT " about having an actual > published > proposal and being concerned about it becoming widely available." This is > a > concern about there being no active project to develop a route but having a > route showing on OSM/OCM. Minh Nguyen has provided an example of how to > document a developing route being done by the Ohio DOT. This is the kind > of > communication and coordination we are seeking. > > > Kerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Troxel [mailto:g...@ir.bbn.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:32 PM > To: KerryIrons > Cc: 'OpenStreetMap talk-us list' > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA > > I think Kerry's concern is about "proposed" routes being in the OSM db (and > renders) when no such proposed routes exist. Taking a line from wikipedia > (which I realize is tricky business), we shouldn't be doing original > research in determining things, but rather documenting things that exist. > If there are signs and a published route, that's obviously a route. If an > organization that is generally viewed as having the authority to determine > a > route has published a proposal (which is stronger than 6 what-if > scenarios), > then that's fair to be in as proposed. But as I understand the situation, > a > cognizant organization has published a target corridor, not a proposed > route. > > But, this could be about having an actual published proposal and being > concerned about it becoming widely available, and stopping that doesn't fit > with OSM norms. > > I am also a little surprised about using the OSM database for "what if" > rendering. It makes sense to use OSM data as the baselayer, and the > toolchain for rendering what if, but if there isn't at least a published > plan for a route (as in "this route is in the state's 20-year plan and > we're > working on funding, but if we had money this is what we'd do right now"), > then putting various things people might want to do in the database seems > to > be very far away from verifiable and even not meeting the "accurately > describe the world" test. But perhaps I misread some of the earlier > comments. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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