Not sure it is necessary to suggest all nonhackers and non humanitarians on this list are couch potatoes to further the argument.
Osm is a place where imports happen, we have rules to stick to, we want to have educated discussions about those rules. I am tired of import bashing as an unproductive tangent on almost all import related discussions. On Friday, April 3, 2015, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote: > > Erring on the side of "high ground" safety might be > > a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and > > we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so. > > Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the inclusion of third party data > sources for its quality. Taking a "high ground safety" approach with > regards to third-party rights in data might cut us off from some third > party data sources but then re-publishing these third party sources in > OSM clothes doesn't do us much good anyway. > > If an individual is desperate to use a third party data source, let them > do the due diligence on the legality of the source, but it certainly > isn't "us" who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us > with (often low quality) third-party data. > > > It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill. I'll say it again: I wish > > light, not heat. > > I would be absolutely thrilled if more people, especially more > Americans, would stop thinking about what data they could take and add > to OSM, and instead grab a GPS, or their car, or their boots, or > bicycle, or mobile phone, or all of that, and simply map stuff. > > It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of > these two: > > (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web > pages and other sources to look for stuff they could "upload" to OSM > (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda > yadda) > > (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of > humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the > government hasn't done their job well. > > The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own > backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from > official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or > stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few > people, and others will say: "OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think > that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time". > > I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether > or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could > just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any > legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org <javascript:;> ## > N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org <javascript:;> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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