Oh, I have certainly seen drivers do that (my first-ever traffic accident was when the cars in the oncoming lanes stopped to let me make a turn, and then I was hit by a car driving down the shoulder). The police consider it reckless driving, however, and will cite you for it.

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On October 16, 2015 8:23:46 PM Mike Dupont <jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Here in NJ they pass you on the right on these lanes, it is totally insane.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:29 PM, John Eldredge <j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote:
My experience elsewhere is that shoulders are not considered legal driving
lanes for motor vehicles, except under special circumstances, such as a
construction zone where a normal driving lane has been shut down. People who
try to use the shoulder as a driving lane receive traffic citations.

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On October 12, 2015 11:05:12 PM Jack Burke <burke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wait, question:

Are these shoulder lanes under discussion *only* for bicycles, or for
motor vehicles as well?

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Elliott Plack <elliott.pl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Mike,

I have not seen the Shoulder or Lanes tags in wide use yet. I use the
cycleway tags on the highway line way to denote bike lanes that are part of
the road surface, as it seems your case is. (cycleway:right=lane). Though in
this case it is arguable if the shoulder is a lane. What is certain is that
most cyclists treat shoulders as such.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway

I'm interested in routing and the Open Source Routing Map project. Cycle
and ped routing is especially interesting to me as an athlete, and so I
looked on the ORSM backend for clues on how they're handling shared lanes
and such. Looks like one of these tagging combos will work:
https://github.com/Project-OSRM/osrm-backend/blob/8f8bd05f83fa2ccc542c2c44761f548a1e8b7579/features/bicycle/cycleway.feature

Elliott

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM Mike Dupont
<jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi there,
This road cr 546 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/566939) and
many others here in the area has extra wide  wide shoulders that
people use for walking or biking. How do you want to tag them as such
so that we can also use that for routing?

Here is a table of the segments with lane information

http://lawrencetwp.com/documents/planning/Route546BikewayBicycleCompatibilityMatrix.pdf

I see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shoulder and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lanes what are your thoughts on a
detailed tagging for this information.


thanks
mike

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