Hi everybody, We're going to stop this thread here (at least on the lists I moderate). Not only is it off-topic for this thread, but we're also off-topic for the mailing list. Let's remember to keep conversations positive, constructive, and on topic.
Thanks! Ian, your friendly list moderator On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Joel Holdsworth <j...@airwebreathe.org.uk> wrote: > Because the very notion that it is relevant to study OSM by gender is > divisive. > > Who cares what the gender balance of contributors to OSM is? I don't. I > didn't even know what the split was until this thread. Because it literally > doesn't matter. > > Even it were 99% women, it wouldn't matter. So long as everyone has a > chance to contribute if they want to. > > Some people are saying about how awful it is to have a gender bias in the > mapped data. If it were 99% women, I would imagine there might be better > detail about the women's toilets. In that case, I would add data about the > men's. No one owes me an apology, or a commitment to change their mapping > habits. The solution starts with me - "Be the change you want to see." > > It's simple - whatever gender, race, social group you are, come and use > OSM. If some data you care about is missing, get mapping! > > > Joel > > > > > > On 05/09/17 12:14, Charlotte Wolter wrote: > >> >> My goodness, all this anxiety! Why are you feeling that >> you have to justify what you map, just because someone is >> studying it by gender? >> >> Charlotte >> >> >> >> At 10:10 AM 9/5/2017, you wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2017 08:25:33 +0200 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: > One of the discussion points on her diary entry was female hygiene >>> > products found in women's toilets. How is a man going to map that, > >>> without access to women's toilets ? > > The real question for me is are men >>> more likely going to map shop=car > than >>> shop=clothes;clothes=underwear/fashion/ >>> ... (sorry for the > stereotyping) > will men map leisure=playground or >>> amenity=pub ? > will a roman catholic map a mosque ? > will a non-dog owner >>> map leisure=dog_park ? > > in short: will we map everything we see or do we >>> map only our > interests ? Furthermore, do we really see everything or do >>> we only see > (and map) things we are conditioned to ? > > This is not >>> about buildings, addresses, roads and paths. They are >>> > pretty gender neutral I think. It's about POIs. >>> >>> I know I map what I see (or more precisely, what my camera >>> captures). If it doesn't have a sign out front, I don't map it. >>> To take an example from the midwives vs. strip clubs debate, >>> the phone book lists seven midwives and/or midwife groups >>> in the Spokane area. Of those, three are attached to hospitals >>> and one to a community-health clinic, and so wouldn't have >>> signs. Two are operating out of private homes and don't have >>> signs (and I wouldn't map them if they did, just like I don't map >>> lawn care or computer repair businesses operating out of >>> private homes). >>> The last one is in the 95% of the city I haven't yet photo-mapped. >>> The phone book lists zero strip clubs in the Spokane area. >>> Despite that, I've found and mapped one strip club: it was on a >>> major street and had a clear sign out front. >>> Yes, there's a bias in my mapping, but it's a bias towards >>> "things identifiable from the street." I'm more likely to map a car >>> store than a clothes store, because car stores are generally >>> not found inside shopping malls. Playgrounds beat pubs, >>> because every playground is visible from the street. And this >>> non-dog-owner didn't map the dog park, because it was >>> already mapped by the time I got started. >>> >>> -- Mark >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-us mailing list >>> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >>> >> >> Charlotte Wolter >> 927 18th Street Suite A >> Santa Monica, California >> 90403 >> +1-310-597-4040 >> techl...@techlady.com >> Skype: thetechlady >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-us mailing list >> Talk-us@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-us mailing list > Talk-us@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us >
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