Agree with that, Evin. Unfortunately I think there are still quite a few 
countries where route relations are not as widely used / accepted (I remember 
the UK bring among them? Perhaps someone can do an overpass query to visualize) 
so unless we get everyone on board with them we're likely stuck with 
redundancy. 

Martijn

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> On Aug 24, 2018, at 12:02, Evin Fairchild <evindf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The only way you can get people to stop putting reg tags on ways and only put 
> them on relations is if the renderer actually rendered reg tags from 
> relations. Currently it doesn't do this, so it's impractical for people to do 
> what you're suggesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, don't tag for the renderer, 
> but I'd you don't have route numbers show up at all, them this really reduces 
> the usability of the map. It's such an important thing that there's no way 
> you can get people to stop putting the reg tags on ways unless the renderer 
> rendered the ref tags for the whole relation.
> 
> -Evin (compdude)
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 9:56 AM Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote:
>> The ref=* tag on ways is already 100% redundant if the way is already a part 
>> of the appropriate route relations and should be phased out so ref can be 
>> used to actually describe the way's ref, where applicable.
>> 
>> Also, can we kill this dinosaur entirely already?  Route relations have been 
>> a widely accepted thing for a decade now, if you're not using route 
>> relations for your primary source of route information (instead of expecting 
>> tags on some other non route object to tell you), then you're doing it wrong 
>> and you don't matter.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 07:38 Mihai Iepure <mihai.iep...@telenav.com> wrote:
>>> Hey everyone!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We’re looking for your opinion on the existence of ref tags on links – 
>>> should it be there? Is it redundant if the link is already in a route 
>>> relation that has the ref tag?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> We’ve created a Github ticket to let us know what you think, so feel free 
>>> to post your thoughts there.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mihai Iepure
>>> Map Analyst
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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