I've reached out to a couple of the nearby reservations, one with a small parcel of off reservation land trust, the other with only a small reservation but a very large off reservation land trust. I don't expect answers until possibly after the new year. Unlike Oklahoma, Washington reservations are pretty straight forward. The Yakama Nation has a large disputed area but I'm inclined to show it as reservation land. I haven't updated it yet because the borders are tied up in multiple relations that need undoing.
Best, Clifford On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:42 PM David Bartecchi <dbartec...@gmail.com> wrote: > All of these concerns must be weighed against the fact that the current > absence of Native lands in OSM only contributes to the erasure Native > Americans and their lands from the American collective conscience. > > Dave > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:27 PM Paul Johnson <ba...@ursamundi.org> wrote: > >> Content warning: Aboriginal abuse mention >> >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 2:08 PM Clifford Snow <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> >> wrote: >> >>> I do have Washington State tribal lands available [1] as a background >>> layer for JOSM. There is also a vector tile layer [2] of the same >>> background available for iD users. >>> >>> The data contains the name in english and the land type of Disputed >>> Area, Off-Reservation Trust Land, Reservation, and Tribal Headquarters. >>> Only 4 disputed areas but 60 Off-Reservation areas. Some people include >>> Off-Reservation in tribal lands while others do not. My sense is that they >>> should be tagged as boundary=aboriginal_lands. I'd like to hear the opinion >>> of the group. >>> >> >> The TLDR: I, personally, have not been including trust lands in Oklahoma, >> for pragmatic reasons. The situation is complicated, painful to many, and >> politically loaded on a level where I don't think OSM should sort out trust >> lands yet. >> >> I'm aware of several dozen trust exclaves, but they all fall into one of >> three categories. >> >> 1. The exclave is presently unclaimed or claimed but no longer >> occupied by multiple tribes, and thus the status is ambiguous other than >> it's within BIA jurisdiction. Most Oklahoma exclaves fall into this >> category, and it's really complicated. >> 2. The exclave is claimed by one tribe but it's ability to establish >> a presence and primary jurisdiction is in question. There's an exclave in >> Boise, OK where one of the tribes (not sure which, but pretty sure not >> mine) presently has plans to open a travel center and casino, however, >> this >> exclave is hundreds of kilometers from their jurisdictional area and >> whether or not they can even claim the exclave is nebulous. It's >> effectively tribal terra nullius. >> 3. The Chilocco Indian Residential School. This one gets super >> touchy. The school, which closed in 1980, has sat abandoned and uncared >> for since, yet can't be torn down without considerable red tape since the >> site is on the National Historic Register. The school is currently >> assigned to five additional tribes in the immediate region, and they >> cooperatively ran a rehabilitation center for the school's victims at the >> site in the 1990s and 2000s, but the rehab facility has also sat abandoned >> since at least 2011 with no plans for the site, and the whole enclave >> currently is off limits to everyone, very intermittently used as a >> training >> ground for federal police agencies, further rubbing sandpaper into >> unhealed >> wounds for many. No surprise, the original school that operated for 98 >> years is widely criticized for most of its existence, and especially in >> its >> final decade of operation, for being little more than a concentration camp >> for indian children as part of the US's plan for Americanization of >> indians. As far as I can tell, abuse at the school was institutionalized, >> frequent and persistent enough it's hard not to imagine it wasn't by >> design. It might as well be scorched earth. >> >> Add this into the fact that not all of Oklahoma's tribes (or even the >> relevant tribes that potentially have claim to these parcels) get along >> with each other. Add that Governor Stitt has been talking about cancelling >> state compacts with the tribes this month, and we're actually seeing nearly >> unprecedented intertribal unity and cooperation right now (weird how a >> common threat does that). >> >> All that said, my read on the situation? Trying to sort out the trust >> lands in Oklahoma is politically shaky at best for OSM, and it wouldn't >> surprise me if similar situations are present in other states. Offhand, >> Pennsylvania, Oregon and Kansas all have federal indian schools presently >> in operation (Army War College in Carlisle, Chemawa in Salem, and Haskell >> Indian College in Haskell respectively). Washington State had one as well >> (Fort Simcoe), and presently has a far darker and ongoing relations with >> the tribes in that state most readily comparable Canada's Highway of Tears, >> but more widespread. >> > > > -- > Village Earth > http://www.villageearth.org > PO Box 797 > Fort Collins, Co. 80522 > Ph. +1-970-237-3002 Ext. 504 > Fax. +1-970-237-3026 > -- @osm_washington www.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
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