This is quite a strong summation. Yet, fortunately, there is some types of accreditation for some programming and related categories. There is Microsoft MSCE, Cisco Certified, general network certifications, Oracle cert, Red Hat cert, security cert, Zend PHP cert, even a Flash cert.
So, maybe if firms and sites (PHP.net and all such related sites) started advocating cert programs as one of, if not the first serious step, toward an evolving measurable genuine industry competency and competitiveness that would help programmers more effectively work towards and achieve known knowledge levels that might have nationally known pay scales. Then a programmer could plan a career and salary objectives a little more logically. And businesses could budget and allocate programmer workforce more exactly. Somewhere, something is all good and better than the existing free for all. Warmest regards, Peter Sawczynec Technology Dir. Sun-code Interactive Sun-code.com 646.316.3678 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Urb LeJeune Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:28 AM To: NYPHP Talk Subject: Re: [nyphp-talk] Re: OT: webmaster test >> By definition, programming and website design is not a >>profession. > >Really? What specifically is that definition? profession: "An occupation, such as law, medicine, or engineering, that requires considerable training and specialized study" Houghton Mifflin Dictionary. Even an engineer must have a professional engineering (PE) designation to perform certain types of design. I don't have a problem with a self taught programmers, I've known some great ones, however, a field having a large number of practitioners without formal training is a trade not a profession. A profession is also self-regulated. It's another thread but, should there be certification available for programmers and web designers? If we ever want to be considered a profession, that's the first step. I was in the stock brokerage business when the designation Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) first came into being. It was extraordinarily difficult and it took almost two years after the announcement before the first designation were awarded. It required two 8 hour day testing sessions. It made a huge difference in the industry and these days you will not get a senior level job in a research department without a CFA. Same thing happened with Chartered Financial Planner (CFP). I'm unsure of the procedure, but how/when does one change the subject when we have drifted into a new area? Urb Dr. Urban A. LeJeune, President E-Government.com 609-294-0320 800-204-9545 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ E-Government.com lowers you costs while increasing your expectations. _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php _______________________________________________ New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online http://www.nyphpcon.com Show Your Participation in New York PHP http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
