One might still argue that it was more a means to avoid lawsuits than
anything else.
Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:33 AM
To: 'Darrell Bowles' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' ; 'net bat'
Subject: RE: Accessibility: A Reality Check
You are apparently unaware of the history at Microsoft! Yeah, the
Narrator
program is a dog, so what. Nevertheless, Microsoft wanted to have
accessible products, as Bill Gates announced at a Microsoft conference
over
a decade ago. That's why they invited the JAWS and Window-Eyes folks to
participate in development work.
Don't you remember the announcement a year or so ago from GW Micro when
they
unvaled their joint partnership of screen reader accessibility.
Microsoft has bundled Window-Eyes with Office products and gives them a
way
free now; what more commitment do all of you expect from Microsoft?
Peter Duran
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook....@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:42 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Accessibility: A Reality Check
Actually, the only communities that are legally discriminated against the
communities that have people who are disabled. You actually think, that
Microsoft cares about accessibility? Narrator didn't even become anything
usable until Windows 8. It will never be up to the standards of a
Window-Eyes, or even NVDA, because Microsoft absolutely does not want to
do
anything. Apple on the other hand, has at least implemented a fully
featured
screen reader and, on every device they create or ship, that screen reader
is available. Voiceover far out does anything that Microsoft word called
accessible. It is only because of companies like AI squared, that we even
have an accessible experience on windows.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 13, 2015, at 12:11 PM, net bat via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
if you think apple , microsoft and other companies are comitted to
accessibility think again. they caved in because of all the law suits from
blind organisations and presher by the same organisations on the
polatitions
to pass laws to force accessibility on these companies. few are doing this
out of the goodness of there hearts. if they don't comply they could be
forced out of buisness.
which will not happen because the polititions are in the back pocket of
these companies.
-----Original Message----- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 2:19 AM
To: Talk
Subject: Accessibility: A Reality Check
What's this "second class" citizen nonsense? What's this "poor me"
attitude?
I don't get it!
The basic fact is: A major release of a product always has problems
because of the sheer complexity of the product. That's the way it is
so get over it! It has nothing to do with accessibility or the lack
of. It has nothing to do with economic status, race, religion, sexual
orientation, or the weather!
No doubt, there are hundreds of things about Windows 10 that are
bugging millions of sighted users at present; get over it; get real; stop
whining!
They will get fixed; just wait for the next release if you are so
unhappy.
Both Apple and Microsoft are committed to accessibility for their
products; it's good business; it's the federal law! The W3C
Consortium sets accessibility standards worldwide, and the big
companies try to meet them and keep up. Complexity is the "enemy" not
Apple, Microsoft, Google, and so on.
The problem: The more folks have, the more they want. Back when I
was a college student, I relied on the technology at the time, books
recorded on cassettes. I had to rewind tapes over and over again to
find the stuff I needed to read for class the next day, a laborious
process indeed. Now, I perform similar tasks, but with an accessible
computer using search commands, and get annoyed when a search takes
more than a few seconds. Go figure!
Google surveys show that users get frustrated if Google searches take
more than 10 seconds; sighted people whine too when frustrated.
Every time GW Micro releases a major upgrade, this list becomes a
"whine list" which makes me need a gin and tonic. I can't wait for
the fixes to Windows 10; thereafter, amazing accessibility will be
available on a multitude of devices: computers, tablets, smart phones,
and who knows what else. And the great thing, Microsoft will have a
single user interface across devices so I will need to learn only one
set of commands to work with them all.
Someone on this list just complained about the "ribbon bar" now in
some more Windows apps; well, Microsoft is trying to unify its user
interface and thus simplify the user experience. Yeah, people don't
like to change; my sighted wife hates Word 2013 because she doesn't
know how to use the ribbon bar, and she refuses to read my tutorial
about it. That's her problem, not Microsoft's!
Peter Duran
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