When I was talking about not being able to do contracted braille input into
the computer via the Alva, I was talking about standard grade two. If I am
writing in the notes section of the Alva, using it like a notetaker, I can
write in grade two. But if I have it hooked up to the computer using it as
a braille display, I can't input stuff from the Alva onto the computer using
the Alva's keyboard. Pam.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 4:01 PM
To: 'Kevin Huber' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Maybe my below contribution reflects user inadequacy: just looking at the
settings for my Alva bc640, it is not clear that braille input includes
contracted, as per new UEBC requirements.
Its internal Notes app, which is a primitive notepad, might accept
contracted braille, but I don't use it so will need to experiment.
A recent look at the Optelec website as taken via VFO does not indicate that
there are upgraded braille tables or firmware which should be installed.
Doug: great having you contributing to this discussion. Once the future of
Window-Eyes as a going concern for development is confirmed, my strong
recommendation is to regard features like direct contracted braille input to
be part of Window-eyes.
Knowing that I've banged on for ages about updating braille support
generally,and accepting that there is reliance upon display manufacturers,
my hope is that VFO will properly resource this aspect of screen reader
development.
Vaughan.
research/regional/auckland/auckland-health-disability-resources.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2016 5:39 a.m.
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: two way contracted Braille input on Braille displays
Hi Doug:
I think the braille display that you are talking about is the Alva 640. As
far as I recall, the Alva 640 alows for contracted braille input.
Kevin Huber
On 10/18/16, Doug Geoffray via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
Hello Roger,
Wow, it has been a long time. I was not aware of your health issues
but applaud you for telling those doctors/statisticians what they can
do with their odds (smile)!
Window-Eyes core never allowed for contracted braille input. This is
something that could be added to the individual braille drivers and I
thought there was a braille manufacturer which actually took advantage
of that in their Window-Eyes braille driver but I'm not certain.
Because most braille drivers are developed by the braille
manufacturer, I lose track of what displays are out there and how they
work with Window-Eyes. I've wanted to add contracted input into
Window-Eyes core but have never gotten to it. It is still on the wish
list.
Regards,
Doug
On 10/18/2016 9:46 AM, Adaptive Information Systems Inc. wrote:
Hi Doug,
I wanted to ask you about two way entry with Braille displays and
Window-eyes 9.53.
If my memory is correct, I thought we had contracted two way entry
with Braille displays and the BrailleNote devices with earlier
versions of Window-eyes.
I have customers who are using Window-eyes, like TVI teachers who own
a Brailliant BI display from HumanWare and can't do contracted
Braille input from their Brailliant BI to the computer, like word or
email, it is all computer Braille only.
I see that NVDA 2016.3 also is only doing computer Braille input too.
While Jaws still offers contracted two way input from a Braille display.
Is contracted two way input something that did happen years ago?
Is this something that can be included in future releases of
Window-eyes?
It is a pain to have to type in computer Braille using a perkins
style keyboard on a Braille display.
Thank you for your time!
I am still alive and kicking after 2013 and doctors gave me a 1%
diagnoses that I would live and I beat that! But now I am fighting
cancer of the Prostate, Dam!
Regards,
Roger a. Behm, President
Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading
Disabled
Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
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From: Talk
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On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:15 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: history of window eyes
Just wanted to correct a few things (smile).
Malcolm created Screen-Talk which later became Screen-Talk Pro
(linked with ProKey). As stated, he may of wanted to call this
Vocal-Eyes but Bill Grimm didn't like that name, at the time. I had
nothing to do with Screen-Talk. I did create most of the Apple 2
software such as Braille-Out which later turned to Braille-Talk, and
Word-Talk and File-Talk and Term-Talk (prior to Term-Talk it was
Talking Transend) and several other smaller things as well as the TTS
engine for all Sounding Board variants. I also created all the
software for the Small-Talk portable computer, except for the
Calc-Talk module, ah, fun times (smile).
In 1988 I started from scratch with Vocal-Eyes. This was completely
different from the work Malcolm did. I almost finished Vocal-Eyes
when Bill Grimm got burnt out and decided to close Computer Aids,
which officially closed November 1989. I had started working at
Computer Aids in the early 80's as a contractor and around 1983
started full time as an employee. Dan Weirich started around 1987ish
and worked on the hardware. So after Computer Aids closed in 1989,
Dan and I started GW Micro February 15, 1990. I spent another 6 or
so months finalizing Vocal-Eyes and released it right after that. As
for Bill Grimm, he did die but it was a few years later...I can't
remember the exact year but it was around 1994 or 95.
We started working on Window-Eyes around 1994 and released 1.0 in
October 1995.
Doug
On 10/17/2016 2:41 PM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I might add that Malcolm, who worked as a ranger at Yosemite near
Fresno where I lived at the time, initially called his PC
screenreader Vocal-Eyes and I was one of the beneficiaries. He had
originally designed it for a fellow ranger at Yosemite who was only
partially sighted. I still see his name on the lists occasionally.
Bill Grimm was then naming all his software releases Whatever-talk,
so when Malcolm teamed up with Computer Aids, the program was
renamed Screen Talk. When Doug Geoffrey took over Computer Aids, he
named his screen reader Vocal-Eyes. Apparently Malcolm had no objection
to that.
Actually Doug wasn't even aware that the name had been used by
Malcolm. Later GW Micro released Window-Eyes for Windows as, as you
know, Vocal-Eyes was a DOS screen reader.
Dave
At 04:02 AM 10/17/2016, you wrote:
I don't have time to write a very long message, but here's a little
of the story.
In the early 1980s Bill Grimm formed a company, Computer Aids
Corporation, to create software for the Apple II family of computers.
They teamed up with Malcolm Holser to create a screen reader for
DOS called Screen-Talk, which was released in 1985, which I bought
and used. In 1986 Screen-Talk was linked with ProKey, a macro
program, and its functionality was extended. Somewhere in there,
Doug Geoffray was hired as a programmer. In 1988 Computer Aids
released the Sounding Board, an ISA-compatible speech synthesizer
that used the
SSI-263 speech chip that was common in those days. Dan Wyrick did
major work on that project. Near that time Bill Grimm died.
Dan and Doug put together a new company, GW Micro and marketed the
new-generation DOS screen reader as Vocal-Eyes.
The first Windows 3.0 screen reader was OutSpoken, released in the
summer of 1992. Later came Automatic Screen Access for Windows and
JAWS for Windows. Window-Eyes 1.0 came out quite late, in late 1995.
It worked with Windows 3 and 3.1, even though Windows 95 was
already out and had no screen reader support from anyone at first.
Window-Eyes 2 was the first W-E version to support Windows 95, and
came out in the spring of 1997, I think.
The revision history of Window-Eyes is on the GW Micro website,
going way back; it is instructive to read it to see where we have come
from.
Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-----Original Message----- From: Drew Clark via Talk
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:56 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: history of window eyes
hi,
i am interested to find out the history of window eyes, who created
it and how it was started. is there any webpage/audio podcast that
interviews the g and the w behind gw micro?
thanks
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