Please: don't start moderating the list.
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 2:43 p.m. To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This has been beat to death. Get on with your day if you have one and stop cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList' Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead! I agree with Bryan's comments. Would also just like to add that it isn't difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement. Vaughan. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m. To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to differ, but that's another topic. -----Original Message----- From: Jim via Talk Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! I agree! There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors. I really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it. PLEASE folks! Have A Great Day! de <KF8LT><Jim>. On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM > To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! > > until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's > the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my > friends... > > > > > On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote: >> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still >> selling it? Pam. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM >> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >> >> And lets add to that. How about several employees leaving Ai >> Squared. The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: brice Mijares via Talk >> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM >> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead! >> >> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent >> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does >> this tell you? >> >> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote: >>> Hi there FOLKS! >>> >>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far >>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate >>> future. I really cannot say as much for the long run. I called about >>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for >>> the future as far as that goes. So Please do not start this BS >>> about Window-Eyes being dead again. That, I can say I would GREATLY >>> APPRECIATE!. <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth> >>> >>> >>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote: >>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing. JAWS does a very >>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job >>>> than Window Eyes. >>>> >>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, >>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and >>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like >>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore >>>> you spend an extra $200. >>>> Then >>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has >>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems. >>>> >>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I >>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something >>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up. >>>> >>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves >>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear >>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could >>>> find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the >>>> old girl. >>>> >>>> Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to >>>> do with the desperation of many who are Blind. >>>> Here is something to think about- I am going to go out to the >>>> Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with >>>> 16 GB of RAM, and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250. >>>> >>>> We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems, tests >>>> them and puts them up for sale. >>>> So I can buy a used system for $250, and I think the Pro edition of >>>> JAWS is over $1200, maybe someone here can correct this figure. >>>> >>>> When the Screen Reader costs four or almost five times as much as >>>> the computer it will run upon, guess I have a problem with that. >>>> >>>> And I know JAWS is a Company that is to make a profit for the >>>> owners, and making a healthy profit is something I have no problem >>>> with a Company doing. But there is the Greed factor that tends to >>>> raise its uglyhead, and that is when a Company will charge what >>>> they believe the Market will bare. And with most program sales >>>> getting paid for by our Government, the same government that will >>>> pay $600 for a Toilet Seat, why not charge Uncle SAM $1200 for a >>>> screen Reader program? After all, Uncle SAM is good for it, even >>>> though few people who are Blind can afford it, with most living on >>>> minimum wage jobs, or some level of Social Security. >>>> >>>> JAWS as a program, does many things right, and even better than >>>> Window Eyes, in some cases. >>>> >>>> I just never liked their method of doing business, or how they >>>> interacted with their customers. >>>> >>>> I stayed with GW Micro largely because they were a great group of >>>> people to work and deal with when you needed to do so. From the >>>> days of DOS to just before the purchasing of GW Micro by A I >>>> Squared I felt their customer service and program support was very >>>> very good. And there were times when the guys could not fix what >>>> ever my issue was at the time. >>>> But, they didn't just ignore my situation, or mock me for having a >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> I almost always found Window Eyes to be a very reliable program, >>>> and so when I did have those times when my system would freeze or >>>> lock up, I was prone to think it was Internet Exploder, or some >>>> other program, including Windows Itself to be the culprit before I >>>> considered > the >>>> Screen Reader. That is the very high level of reliability I came to >>>> expect from GW Micro, because that is what they produced for years. >>>> >>>> Today, I do not have the same degree of Faith in those who run GW >>>> Micro. >>>> And I do not know if this is only because some of the old staff are >>>> now gone, and those replacing them are not quite as good, or if >>>> what I sense is the hand of the Parent Company influencing how >>>> those who still work at GW Micro do their jobs. And now that A I >>>> Squared has been swallowed by the Parent Company of JAWS, there is >>>> even a greater distance theTop >>>> decision makers have from the every day user of Window Eyes. So it >>>> takes longer and longer to fix problems, or to make alterations to >>>> Window Eyes etc. >>>> >>>> Personally, I need a powerful Screen Reader. I use NVDA on >>>> occasion, but it is not powerful enough to do everything I need >>>> from a Screen Reader. There may come a Day when I must buy my own >>>> copy of JAWS. I won't like it, but if they are the only Game in >>>> town, then > what choice >>>> do I have? 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