Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

net bat via Talk Thu, 06 Apr 2017 14:22:32 -0700

yes, but whats to talk about?

most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped sellingw e.their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to death andnot bringing in any money.jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer for it todie.there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people that usethem.300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, with the70percent unemployment rate?

-----Original Message-----From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM
To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion

Isn't this a window eyes list?  How are apple devices now window eyes?

-----Original Message-----

From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] OnBehalf Of Evan Reese via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun and usefulthings to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the file system and thatI can't just copy and paste files to and from it as I can with other non-Appledevices.It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to extend itscapacity.

Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities.
Evan

-----Original Message-----
From: net bat via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the filestructure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't even beviewed connected to a computer as a flash drive.

***
but. . .

since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing much easierto use.

i thought it  was the same as the app switcher to switch between running apps.
not to open a list of all the links on the web page.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Windows screen readers

Hi Butch,

I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like.

I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but perhaps younever quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded that not everyonecan learn it.

My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first.
It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact.

However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her iPhone6SE.However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, thebuilt-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it answers you back.


With respect,

Rod

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On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM
To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com>
Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it worksfor you.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote:

I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second
generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini.  I
ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do
with a victor reader stream and a lot more.  It has better sound, more
volume and better battery life than my first generation victor reader
stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket.

-----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen
Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM
To: Russ Kiehne
Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

Why do you think I have one of those?
73
Butch
WA0VJR
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Wallace, ks.


On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne
wrote:

 That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream!

 -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM
 To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Windows screen readers

 Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the
like,  touch screens and so forth, which I'm not.  Just doesn't make
sense to  me.  The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand
is that it  isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone.
But, it is the  same old attitude I have seen among the blind for
years.  Everybody  should use what I use and my way is the only way.
I have an I pod touch
 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day.
 73
 Butch
 WA0VJR
 Node 3148
 Wallace, ks.


 On Tue,
 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote:

>   Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to
>   learn.
>   reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn
> it on
>   turn on voice over and have fun.
>
>   -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM
>   To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>   Subject: Re: Windows screen readers
>
>   Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad
> and a
>   Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile
> versions
>   of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't?  I have been considering
>   purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and wether it
>   is
>   really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS.  I have been using
>   NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on
> some web
>   pages.
>
>   On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
> >    Tony,
> >
> >   I share some of your frustrations.  I had to use JAWS more
> > during the
> >   past
> >   year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at all
> > of  what
> >   I
> >    feel are bugs in JAWS.  It always seemed to me that many JAWS
> > users
> >    felt
> >    that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs.  On my job, both JAWS and
> >    Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while
> > NVDA did
> >    not
> >    work with it.  While I like my iPhone, I have found myself
> >    frustrated
> >    there with bugs as well.  The pace of change in technology,
> >    particularly
> >    web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our
> > access on  all
> >    platforms in my opinion.  I know of people who have switched
> > to the  MAC
> >    and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who have
> > switched
> >   back.  Also, some of your examples are partly due to
> > inconsistent or
> >   poor
> >    web browser support.  People I have talked to who work on
> > accessibility
> >    have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it needs to
> >    be
> >    tested with all combinations of screen readers and web
> > browsers to  know
> >   if
> >    the page will work.  There is often even browser-specific code in
> >    web
> >    sites even without accessibility.  It is very possible, for
> > example,
> >   that
> >   Netflix is running different code when you access the very same
> > page
> >   with
> >    a MAC as you access with a Windows browser.  This makes it
> > very hard  to
> >    determine where problems exist.
> >
> >    I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you.
> >
> >    Best regards,
> >
> >    Steve Jacobson
> >
> >    -----Original Message-----
> >    From: Talk
> >
> > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi....@lists.window-eyes.co
> > m]
> >  On
> >    Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> >    Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM
> >    To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> >    Subject: Windows screen readers
> >
> >   Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a
> > Jaws user
> >   for
> >    several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and
> >    I’ve
> >    been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime
> > someone
> >    can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix
> >    the
> >    first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that II a
> >   person
> >    can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can
> > use  netflix
> >    with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in
> > screen  reader
> >   as
> >    opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t
> >    use
> >    Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people have
> > told  me
> >   it
> >    isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I phone or
> >    my
> >    I
> >    Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? I mean I
> >    don’t
> >    get
> >    it, support at both Jaws and WE have said it isn’t accessible and
> >    they
> >    can’t make their screenreaders work with it, but IOS does???
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