Jim: who is this guy Dave? I talked recently to a very senior person with VFO, (as have others) and the message is essentially no on-going development of Window-Eyes.
Who would buy it anyway? Most of the recent discussion on this list has been about free screen reader solutions of one sort or another. Window-Eyes popularity has been trashed by the for Office deal and NVDA. Whilst the for Office plan might have brought about a spike in Window-eyes users, it hasn't funded on-going development. Those of us who still own Window-Eyes know that it wil function until something breaks it. The longer it is left without development, the greater the likelihood that something will break it. If the Window-Eyes support list has turned into discussing everything about access other than Window-Eyes, this sends to me a signal that no one is prepared to buy it. My admission is that switching to JFW was not based on principle. It was, and is the simple reality that at work, and now at home, it is a better tool for me. People who are talking about free alternatives to Window-eyes and who are looking at other platforms are also making pragmatic decisions. The cause(s) of these mixed messages are VFO PERSONNEL - NOT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU. It was once appropriate to voice concerns and anxieties via this list, but as things are showing themselves to be - this list is no longer moderated. If you look at list traffic, it is high volume from a small number of people. It has probably always been that there are many more Window-Eyes users than those of us discussing the product on this list. But if we needed another indidcation of the decline in Window-Eyes's future, just monitor this list. The number of participants is not increasing, and the range of threads is actulaly narrowing. These threads are also becoming more off topic. Jim: enjoy your continued use of Window-eyes, but I encourage making plans for your continued uninterrupted use of this technology. Vaughan. Vaughan. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jim via Talk Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 10:02 a.m. To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion Hi there! It seems as though I have went down this road before, Window-Eyes is still being sold at least by the Ai-Squared through VFO or whatever they're called now,and yes I talked to Dave from Ai-Squared just a few days ago. He Assured me that Window-Eyes was still alive and kicking for the forseeable future. So until I get the word from someone official I willo continue to correct these missplace messages<SMILE!>. Don't want to ruffle to many feathers but mine are getting ruffled by all this supposed miss-imformation! THANKS & Have A Great Day! de <KF8LT><Jim>. On 06-Apr-17 17:14, net bat via Talk wrote: > yes, but whats to talk about? > most of the support and programmers are gone, most stores have stopped > selling w e. > their not going to keep a screen reader around that is hemoriging to > death and not bringing in any money. > jaws is going through the same thing. its just going to take longer > for it to die. > there is little real profit in either of them for the number of people > that use them. > 300 million world wide. and how many of these actually have a job, > with the70 percent unemployment rate? > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Long via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 1:42 PM > To: 'Evan Reese' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: WindowsI phone and other non window eyes discussion > > Isn't this a window eyes list? How are apple devices now window eyes? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On > Behalf Of Evan Reese via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:46 PM > To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > I know, and while I like my iPad Mini 4, and I've found a lot of fun > and useful things to do with it, it does bug me that I can't view the > file system and that I can't just copy and paste files to and from it > as I can with other non-Apple devices. > It also bothers me that I can't simply pop an SD card into it it to > extend its capacity. > Still, overall, it's a great machine with a lot of capabilities. > Evan > > -----Original Message----- > From: net bat via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:31 PM > To: Rod Hutton ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > one thing i don't like about iphones is there is no access to the file > structure to access, move, copy or delete files and folders. it can't > even be viewed connected to a computer as a flash drive. > *** > but. . . > since i found out about the item chooser it makes sifari browseing > much easier to use. > i thought it was the same as the app switcher to switch between > running apps. > not to open a list of all the links on the web page. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Hutton via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 11:12 AM > To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: RE: Windows screen readers > > Hi Butch, > > I'm wondering what exactly it is about touch screens you don't like. > I will admit that learning the gestures can take some time, but > perhaps you never quite got the knack of it, and so you have concluded > that not everyone can learn it. > My wife had quite a bit of difficulty learning it at first. > It actually took her quite some time, months, in fact. > However, having learned it, she can do whatever she needs to with her > iPhone 6SE. > However, admittedly, she does most of what she needs to using Siri, > the built-in digital assistant, which you can just talk to and it > answers you back. > > With respect, > > Rod > > -----Original Message----- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 11:51 AM > To: Russ Kiehne <russ94...@gmail.com> > Cc: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers > > Yes, but you get along with touch screens. some of us don't. Glad it > works for you. > 73 > Butch > WA0VJR > Node 3148 > Wallace, ks. > > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne wrote: > >> I took a lot of thime thinking about if I should get a second >> generation victor reader stream when they came out or a ipad mini. I >> ended up getting a ipad mini because it does everything I would do >> with a victor reader stream and a lot more. It has better sound, >> more volume and better battery life than my first generation victor >> reader stream, booksense standard and plextalk pocket. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen >> Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2017 8:55 AM >> To: Russ Kiehne >> Cc: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >> >> Why do you think I have one of those? >> 73 >> Butch >> WA0VJR >> Node 3148 >> Wallace, ks. >> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, Russ Kiehne >> wrote: >> >>> That is why they have the second generation victor reader Stream! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Butch Bussen via Talk >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 11:29 AM >>> To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> >>> Yep, but that assumes you are comfortable with i phones and the >>> like, touch screens and so forth, which I'm not. Just doesn't make >>> sense to me. The thing most I phone users don't seem to understand >>> is that it isn't easy for all of us and they're not for everyone. >>> But, it is the same old attitude I have seen among the blind for >>> years. Everybody should use what I use and my way is the only way. >>> I have an I pod touch >>> 5 or whatever it is and I am going to smash it to bits some day. >>> 73 >>> Butch >>> WA0VJR >>> Node 3148 >>> Wallace, ks. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, >>> 4 Apr 2017, Tony C via Talk wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, The I pad mini 21, 2, or 3 are about the same. Fairly easy to >>> > learn. >>> > reasonalbely priced at about $230.00 Take it out of the box turn >>> > it on >>> > turn on voice over and have fun. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Don H via Talk >>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 8:11 AM >>> > To: steve.jacob...@visi.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> > Subject: Re: Windows screen readers >>> > >>> > Could the difference between accessibility on a I phone or I Pad >>> > and a >>> > Mac book be that the phones and I pads are running the mobile >>> > versions >>> > of a web site or ap and the Mac book isn't? I have been >>> considering >>> > purchasing a I Pad but just don't know which one to buy and >>> wether it >>> > is >>> > really a solution to avoid having to move to JAWS. I have been >>> using >>> > NVDA and it works fairly well but too has its shortcomings on >>> > some web >>> > pages. >>> > >>> > On 4/4/2017 8:02 AM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote: >>> > > Tony, >>> > > >>> > > I share some of your frustrations. I had to use JAWS more >>> > > during the >>> > > past >>> > > year to do certain things on my job, and I was surprised at >>> > > all of what >>> > > I >>> > > feel are bugs in JAWS. It always seemed to me that many JAWS >>> > > users >>> > > felt >>> > > that Window-Eyes had a monopoly on bugs. On my job, both >>> JAWS and >>> > > Window-Eyes worked on some older software that I used while >>> > > NVDA did >>> > > not >>> > > work with it. While I like my iPhone, I have found myself >>> > > frustrated >>> > > there with bugs as well. The pace of change in technology, >>> > > particularly >>> > > web site development, is really putting a squeeze on our >>> > > access on all >>> > > platforms in my opinion. I know of people who have switched >>> > > to the MAC >>> > > and would never switch back, but I also know of a few who >>> > > have switched >>> > > back. Also, some of your examples are partly due to >>> > > inconsistent or >>> > > poor >>> > > web browser support. People I have talked to who work on >>> > > accessibility >>> > > have told me that if a web page is at all complicated, it >>> needs to >>> > > be >>> > > tested with all combinations of screen readers and web >>> > > browsers to know >>> > > if >>> > > the page will work. There is often even browser-specific >>> code in >>> > > web >>> > > sites even without accessibility. It is very possible, for >>> > > example, >>> > > that >>> > > Netflix is running different code when you access the very >>> > > same page >>> > > with >>> > > a MAC as you access with a Windows browser. This makes it >>> > > very hard to >>> > > determine where problems exist. >>> > > >>> > > I hope that your switch to Apple works well for you. >>> > > >>> > > Best regards, >>> > > >>> > > Steve Jacobson >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Talk >>> > > >>> > > [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi.com@lists.window-eyes.c >>> > > o >>> > > m] >>> > > On >>> > > Behalf Of Tony C via Talk >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 3:46 AM >>> > > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> >>> > > Subject: Windows screen readers >>> > > >>> > > Hello, Before I say anything, let me first say that I was a >>> > > Jaws user >>> > > for >>> > > several years before switching to Window Eyes back in 2004, and >>> > > I’ve >>> > > been a faitful WE user ever since. Why is it that everytime >>> > > someone >>> > > can’t use a certain website or something like I tunes or Netflix >>> > > the >>> > > first thing is they need to fix their website. Why is it that >>> II a >>> > > person >>> > > can go to Netflix on an IOS device and using Voice Over can >>> > > use netflix >>> > > with no problem. Now we are talking about a free built in >>> > > screen reader >>> > > as >>> > > opposed to an $895 and $1195 third party screen readers? I can’t >>> > > use >>> > > Netflix on my PC because both Jaws and Window eyes people >>> > > have told me >>> > > it >>> > > isn’t accessible. However I can go to Netflix using my I >>> phone or >>> > > my >>> > > I >>> > > Pad Mini and use netflix with the free screen reader? 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