Butch,Actually, VFO initially promised Doug they would create a Window-Eyes keyboard layout and then they reneged on that promise, which is typical and says a lot about who they are. And yes, their number one priority since day one has been governmental and charitable money money money. I nailed them many years ago for telling the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind that Open Book, a self-voicing program, required JAWS. Needless to say the head of technology was absolutely livid when he considered how many JAWS licenses they paid for to give Window-Eyes users Open Book.
Regards, Tom
On 8/20/2017 6:44 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
You are so right, Tom. When I was a client in Nevada and for a short time an employee, they pushed Jaws totally. they bought from cross roads, a division of easter seals and those vendors wined and dined the counselors to convince them to buy their products. Of course, if any scripting was done, the state paid through the nose . I know Doug tried to get vfo to do a window-eyes keyboard interface as window-eyes did for jaws, and vfo flat refused. To me, jaws isn't intuitive at all and I still run window-eyes. I will do so until it quits working. When that time comes, I may go to a braille-sense or something like that for e-mail and internet. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:You're right, Dennis. VFO bought their biggest competitor. They have the code. They're not going to give it or sell it to anyone. It's no different than the countless companies that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Facebook are constantly buying. They either buy them to kill the competition or because they want the technology. It's very hard for new startups with new technology today because who can say no when they've been struggling for years and then one of the aforementioned giants dangles three-hundred million under their nose, which for you conspiracy theorists, is *not* what happened with GW Micro.FS may pick and poke at the Window-Eyes code to see if there's anything they can use as long as none of us can see that it came from Window-Eyes. That's their egotistical manner of operation. And I'm not even sure if they care enough to do that. I think the beast is out of control and they'll never spend the time to reel it back in unless they realize their life depends on it and it's not too late. Today iOS or Android is enough for many people to do everything they want: surf the web, email, social media, music, movies, news, and on and on. And of course there's the NVDA and up and coming Narrator avenues as well.Users are not the priority at FS. I've known this for years. But the little time I've spent with JAWS has really confirmed it big time. I've never in my thirty years of computing seen a less user friendly non-intuitive user interface. They'd have to be brain-dead not to know this. Screen readers have gotten more complicated over the years. And as Doug realized years ago it was time for a new UI. But it's a considerable project; one that the folks at FS obviously are not willing to take on. To lifelong JAWS users it defined the norm. But to anyone else the JAWS UI is a disgrace compared to that of Window-Eyes, which comparatively speaking is self-explanatory. I now can see why non-power-users have to simply accept what it is out of the box. They're not willing to spend days trying to figure out how to make a simple change in the convoluted labyrinth they call a UI. It's like buying a home with a thousand rooms and that home has a thousand doors on its exterior. Virtually nothing is obvious or self-explanatory.And Olusegun? It's virtually impossible to crack a big low-level program like Window-Eyes. And even if someone could there's no such thing as porting it over to Android. At best it could be used as a template for an extremely skilled group of programmers to use as a guideline. Mobile operating systems like Android do not possess the inherent ability, programability, or processing power to do half of what a full blown screen reader can do.Regards, Tom On 8/20/2017 1:37 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:They won't give code up. Come on think that through. What company do you know that gives code that was a product that was sold for profit to justgive it away. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:19 PM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume They might give the Window-Eyes code up to a company like Humanware. -----Original Message-----From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of DennisLong via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:04 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Dennis Long Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume I'm pretty sure they own the code. I say this for a few reasons 1 theybought AI Squared and their products. What are their products? WE is oneof those. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 12:46 PM To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Cc: Sky Mundell Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer VolumeI hope it does VFO didn't say anything about owning the Window-Eyes codeor anything. -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-boun...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:06 AM To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Dennis Long' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume Tom, hopefully I'm not being overtly patronizing especially now that Window-Eyes is dead!! That aside, Window-Eyes is an impressive screen reader whose ageless awareness outshines the sun! Maybe--justmaybe--someday, someone will UNSCRAMBLE the Window-Eyes code and PORT IT OVER to Android thus avoiding some crappy nonsense on the part of V F O.Should that happen, it's glorious days migh yet return again! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visithttp://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. 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