I could not switch to a mac all the time. I would miss my favorite audio games such as eurofly flight simulator, survive the wild by Sam Tupy, and RedSpot audio game among others. so I need windows.


On 10/11/2017 6:01 PM, David Moore via Talk wrote:
Hi Rod!
I really want to try one, because I only know Windows. I like trying something 
new all of the time. Where can you play around with one in a store or somewhere 
else? Now, is Voice over the same on the MacBook as it is on the iPhone? Do you 
have a desktop with icons on it like with Windows? How is the contents arranged 
compared to Windows?
I would really like to hear more about the MacBook!
Is it a laptop, tablet, or another type of device altogether? Is a MacBook the 
size of most laptops, or smaller or what? How much is it, because I heard they 
are expensive. How does it compare to a ChromeBook. Is a ChromeBook as 
accessible? Google says they are accessible.
This is so great to be able to talk all technology on here!
David Moore
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From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:46 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Rod Hutton
Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Hi Brenda,

Starting to hate computers is the main reason why I decided to buy a MacBook 
Pro a few weeks bac,.
The way Apple designs their operating systems, making them more human< I would 
say, it is actually a pleasure to use them.
In particular, once you see how the macOS works, it is truly fun, very 
accessible, and, oddly enough, you seem to be led to focus on what you need.
You really have to try one to see what I mean.
If you get the chance, try one out.

Best,

Rod

-----Original Message-----
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: October 11, 2017 3:02 PM
To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Brenda <bjn...@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

I think crawling into a hole is a great idea. I'm really starting to
hate computers.
Brenda

On 10/10/2017 1:38 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
The consensus seems to be that WE, overall, is better.  I have yet to
use Jaws, but the more I read here, the more I realize that we each have
different systems and needs.  So while you can't seem to pay your credit
card, others can.  And while you can do certain things, others can't.  I
think I'll just craw into a hole.

On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
you might as well junk it now.
2018 release will be in about 2 weeks.
f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had  and it still doesn't
work as good.
i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to
be jaws compatible doesn't work.
window eyes works fine.
money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of
been f s that would be out of business now.

-----Original Message----- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM
To: Chuck Adkins via Talk
Cc: Bob Tinney
Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts

Chuck,


I agree with you!  My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I have
to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer.

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote:
Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the
Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing,
usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website,
when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down
the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find
Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I
am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a
product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they
trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention
charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff,
because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and
Narrator do.

So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my
view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will
be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2
thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need.

Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up.
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