Hi David, I'll try to answer your questions in context.
-----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of David Moore via Talk Sent: October 11, 2017 6:02 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: David Moore <jesusloves1...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts Hi Rod! I really want to try one, because I only know Windows. I like trying something new all of the time. Where can you play around with one in a store or somewhere else? Apple stores are perhaps the best places, since Apple is very customer friendly. Now, is Voice over the same on the MacBook as it is on the iPhone? Not precisely the same, but quite similar. Do you have a desktop with icons on it like with Windows? Yes, but by default, they aren't put on the desktop. However, there is a Applications folder, where they all are. How is the contents arranged compared to Windows? Macs use files and folders, just like Windows. I would really like to hear more about the MacBook! Is it a laptop, tablet, or another type of device altogether? Is a MacBook the size of most laptops, or smaller or what? How much is it, because I heard they are expensive. How does it compare to a ChromeBook. Is a ChromeBook as accessible? Google says they are accessible. This is so great to be able to talk all technology on here! MacBook Pros are Apple's high-end notebook, with a keyboard, a screen which flips up, and a touch pad between you and the keyboard, and this is your mouse movement surface. The TouchPad is also the surface upon which you can perform touch gestures just like on IOS devices, including VoiceOver gestures, like the rotor gestures, etc. Because yu have to rest your palms on the TouchPad, I've found that, if you are typing, you pretty much have to temporarily turn off the TouchPadd with Control-Option-Rotor-Left or you'll end up moving focus. But, the opposite gesture, which is, incidentally, a VoiceOver gesture, turns It back on again. The MacBook Pro with TouchBar, which is the one I got, also has a window strip above the number keys at the top of the keyboard and is the replacement for the function keys, and it behaves just like the TouchPad, responding to touch gestures in the same accessible way that IOS or the TouchPad does. The MacBook Pro with TouchBar comes in a 13 and 15-inch size, and I got the bigger one because the stereo speakers, being in a larger form factor, sounded better to my wife and me. However, the keyboard on the two sizes are exactly the same, although, the TouchPad is bigger on the 15-inch, which is cool. I won't discuss price, because, as J.P. Morgan said, and this isn't a direct quote, "If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it." (smile) There is a lot which I can say, but I can't type forever. (smile) The Google tablets are very accessible as video demos on the web demonstrate. , Take care, Rod David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Rod Hutton via Talk Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:46 PM To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Rod Hutton Subject: RE: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts Hi Brenda, Starting to hate computers is the main reason why I decided to buy a MacBook Pro a few weeks bac,. The way Apple designs their operating systems, making them more human< I would say, it is actually a pleasure to use them. In particular, once you see how the macOS works, it is truly fun, very accessible, and, oddly enough, you seem to be led to focus on what you need. You really have to try one to see what I mean. If you get the chance, try one out. Best, Rod -----Original Message----- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: October 11, 2017 3:02 PM To: Nick Sarames via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> Cc: Brenda <bjn...@windstream.net> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts I think crawling into a hole is a great idea. I'm really starting to hate computers. Brenda On 10/10/2017 1:38 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > The consensus seems to be that WE, overall, is better. I have yet to > use Jaws, but the more I read here, the more I realize that we each have > different systems and needs. So while you can't seem to pay your credit > card, others can. And while you can do certain things, others can't. I > think I'll just craw into a hole. > > On 10/10/2017 1:33 PM, net bat via Talk wrote: >> you might as well junk it now. >> 2018 release will be in about 2 weeks. >> f s has had the same 27 years as window eyes had and it still doesn't >> work as good. >> i can't even pay my credit card with it. a web page that is suppose to >> be jaws compatible doesn't work. >> window eyes works fine. >> money talks. if gwmicro was the one that had all the money it would of >> been f s that would be out of business now. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tinney via Talk >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:01 AM >> To: Chuck Adkins via Talk >> Cc: Bob Tinney >> Subject: Re: Window-eyes and Jaws, thoughts >> >> Chuck, >> >> >> I agree with you! My s m as were carried over from W E, but when I have >> to pay for an upgrade, Jaws will disappear from my computer. >> >> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net >> >> On 10/10/2017 8:33 AM, Chuck Adkins via Talk wrote: >>> Well, I've been using Jaws for a while now and I must confess the >>> Window-eyes was the much better product both in speed, browsing, >>> usability, layout, and so much more. Like on the Ohio Lottery Website, >>> when reading the pick 5 Jaws will not scroll down continuously down >>> the page like NVDA, Narrator, and Window-eyes do. I also find >>> Window-eyes synthesizer support was much better. I am not whining, I >>> am just bemoaning the fact that a company got by with trashing a >>> product completely, borrowing or using nothing from the product they >>> trashed and acting like Window-eyes never existed, not to mention >>> charging so much for the product. Don't give me that similar stuff, >>> because I've found webpages where Jaws just doesn't work and NVDA and >>> Narrator do. >>> >>> So why won't I just shut up? I will, just wanted to point out in my >>> view what I've realized, and hopefully NVDA, Narrator and others will >>> be able to say Thank You to VFO for pushing us to a day when a 2 >>> thousand dollar screen reader is no longer need. >>> >>> Thanks for reading, I'm now shutting up. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >>> >>> For membership options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tinneyb%40charter.net. >>> >>> For subscription options, visit >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >>> List archives can be found at >>> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/netbat%40comcast.net. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the >> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. >> >> For membership options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/nicksarames%40msn.com. >> >> For subscription options, visit >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> List archives can be found at >> http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com >> . >> > _______________________________________________ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bjnite%40windstream.net. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > _______________________________________________ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. 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