Hi Larry,

What you have experienced speaks to the need to consider two points:
It is worthwhile to reboot your machine periodically, perhaps every few days, 
if it's not too inconvenient.
Also, Window-Eyes sometimes requires a restart when it has difficulty properly 
reporting the currently focused item.

Best,

Rod

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Sent: December 17, 2017 9:35 AM
To: Tom Kingston via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Cc: Larry Higgins <larryhiggin...@comcast.net>
Subject: Looks to be fixed: was New frustrations with TB, please help

Hey Tom and all who have tried to help.


It looks like I may have fixed this problem in a rather unexpected way.


When I would try to close any of the windows representing a session of 
TB, I was getting the impression that these windows weren't actually 
shutting, because when returning to the desktop, and pressing alt-tab, I 
would see other windows that were actually opened at the same time, all 
     of them TBe session windows.


You will recall that I took to going to task manager to shut down TB 
when it appeared that these windows weren't shutting on their own. But 
again, it turns out that for some reason that other sessions previously 
loaded hadn't shut. I don't know how many days this went on, but after 
going to the task viewer and closing them individually from there, all 
of my issues seemed to have disappeared, or lets hope so anyway.


This one just seemed to be to weird for words, but it now seems to be 
resolved.


Again, thanks for all of your

  suggestions. They definitely seemed logical enough, but apparently 
logic just didn't apply here <g>.

All of you have a great day, and thanks again,

Larry
On 12/17/2017 7:19 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> I have no idea why the message filter dialog would pop up every time 
> you open TB. But have you tried closing that window with Control-W? 
> Just a guess.
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
> On 12/17/2017 6:26 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>> Yes Nick, and that is just what I have been forced to do. However, I 
>> still have this issue where TB refuses to close on its own, making it 
>> necessary to go to the task manager.
>>
>>
>> I guess the only reason I really find this filter thing so annoying 
>> is that nothing I do seems to satisfy. I cannot use the keyboard 
>> option to accept the invitation to let it do its thing, whatever that 
>> is. I don't see any messages that it apparently needs to filter 
>> either, and I don't think I've been missing anything. This is just 
>> very unusual behavior. It even takes longer for TB to load since I've 
>> returned home.
>>
>>
>> I don't remember what my previous version number was, so don't think 
>> I can determine if I have been updated or what. I'm just hoping that 
>> if I haven't, that a later update wont reveal new accessibility 
>> issues, like unto Firefox, but so far, none of those that I can 
>> presently see.
>>
>>
>> Thanks Nick for at least helping me think this thing through. But who 
>> knows, maybe this little issue will just suddenly disappear. And it 
>> may be  something I do, but I wont even be able to guess what it was 
>> <grin>.
>>
>>
>> On 12/17/2017 3:39 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>> I probably don't do as much with TBird as you do, but if you can get to
>>> your inbox (for example), can't you ignore the filters option?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2017 4:35 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well Nick, no problem finding my inbox, but the filter thing, as 
>>>> well as
>>>> this annoyance of not being able to close TD just will not go away. At
>>>> least there is that usual faithful remedy of the task manager. It 
>>>> seems
>>>> to work every time. Only wish I had a shortcut directly to the TB 
>>>> option
>>>> without having to wait for the manager to open <grin>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only other problem approaching this one was when I was being told
>>>> that messages were being considered as junk. That time, if I remember
>>>> correctly, just pressing F8 got rid of that one. Something to do with
>>>> the preview pane, or whatever that is called. Sorry, I'm half asleep,
>>>> and my meds seem to be having their effect <smile>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2017 2:58 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>>>>> I've had this occasionally.  Usually I tab around (frantically) 
>>>>> until I
>>>>> can find my inbox.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/2017 5:41 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote:
>>>>>> Hey listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since spending four days in the hospital after dropping the DTBM 
>>>>>> on my
>>>>>> foot, something has started to happen with my Thunderbird that is 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> helping with my recuperation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For some reason, I keep getting a box that seems to ask me if I 
>>>>>> wish to
>>>>>> filter some messages with the key commands of ctrl-shift-k, but 
>>>>>> it is in
>>>>>> an edit box that I cannot move around in, and for some reason, maybe
>>>>>> related to this, it is making it impossible to close TB as a Window
>>>>>> using F4. Therefore, I have to use the task manager to shut down TB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could it be that TB has been updated since I've been away, and now
>>>>>> presenting me with these new issues?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well,my foot is really starting to hurt again, so I'd better sign 
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> and hope that one of you can help me out of this rather 
>>>>>> irritating mess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any help will surely be greatly appreciated,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
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