----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn van Oosterhout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David Groom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <talk@openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Large Rivers in general, mapnik rendering in 
Particular


> On Feb 8, 2008 11:39 AM, David Groom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The main problem area seems to be that some people do not like the 
>> current
>> proposal whereby a river is divided up in to separate closed areas.  The
>> reason being that the "segment" crossing the river to close the area 
>> marks a
>> boundary which does not actually exist.  Discussion on this could go on
>> indefinitely, but it does really need a Mapnik "expert" to either (i) see 
>> if
>> there is a way that Mapnik can render areas which are not closed (ie.
>> comprised of two parallel ways), or (ii) if this is not , and will never 
>> be,
>> possible then to state that fact , and we can then have a tag proposal 
>> which
>> will render in both Mapnik and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Sure, the same way as coastlines. The question really becomes do we
> just want to make waterway=river work the same as coastlines. Mapnik
> can't render incomplete polygons the way you want to, and for that
> matter neither can osmarender. You get something that vaguely
> resembles the end result but in general it won't work.
>
> *Except* for coastlines, where there is a seperate process that
> handles them, for both osmarender and mapnik.
>
>> The main issue in practice is we now have no standard way of tagging 
>> rivers,
>> and people are relatively free to do what they like, with the result that
>> large portions of the River Thames disappeared from the Mapnik layer
>> recently
>> http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.49&lon=0.41&zoom=11&layers=0000F0B0F
>
> The rules are fairly simple: all areas must be closed, except for
> coastlines. People may not like the results, but it's what works right
> now.
>

My point was that while a tag is still only at the proposal stage is a bit 
difficult to talk of "rules" and tell someone they are doing it "wrong".  :)

David


> Have a nice day,
> -- 
> Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://svana.org/kleptog/
> 



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