On 8 Feb 2008, at 10:39, David Groom wrote:

> The proposed tag waterway = river,
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/ 
> Large_rivers , has
> been at proposal stage for over 18 months, which seems far too long  
> for a
> tag which represents such an important feature.
>
> The main problem area seems to be that some people do not like the  
> current
> proposal whereby a river is divided up in to separate closed areas.

Representing features (like rivers) as  well-formed closed polygon  
sounds good to me.

> The
> reason being that the "segment" crossing the river to close the  
> area marks a
> boundary which does not actually exist.  Discussion on this could  
> go on
> indefinitely, but it does really need a Mapnik "expert" to either  
> (i) see if
> there is a way that Mapnik can render areas which are not closed (ie.
> comprised of two parallel ways),

Of course there is a way, but I'm not convinced at all we should take  
this approach.

> or (ii) if this is not , and will never be,
> possible then to state that fact , and we can then have a tag  
> proposal which
> will render in both Mapnik and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We can make osm2pgsql or coastline tools to create polygons, but why  
not create them in the first place ?
Can someone enlighten me, please ?

>
> The main issue in practice is we now have no standard way of  
> tagging rivers,
> and people are relatively free to do what they like, with the  
> result that
> large portions of the River Thames disappeared from the Mapnik layer
> recently
> http://www.informationfreeway.org/? 
> lat=51.49&lon=0.41&zoom=11&layers=0000F0B0F

As a short term solution we can replace problematic coastline tile in  
London (100x100km vectors) with old one, I guess.
>
> David
>
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