> I think that is the key here. The illogical use of 'unclassified' in the UK is > what causes the problem. So 'service' was added as a designation for a small > road that would probably be 'unclassified' in the rest of the world.
From what I understand: - "unclassified" fits to ways more often used than "residential". We have : motorway > trunk > primary > secondary > tertiary > unclassified > residential > living_street. So "service" cannot be replaced by "unclassified" because it is not the "smallest" road type". Residential and Living_street have specific meanings. But to be honnest, "unclassified" is really a bad name because it's not explicit and is mixed with "undefined". I would have choosen something like "local_trafic" (wherea "residential" means mostly "for people living in the street, and "living_street" is even more local). - Service fits to ways which lead to a specific service, and that people would not use if not interested by the service: parking area, fuel stations, supermarkets: drivers enter the way with the clear intention to shop, to park, ... (No one would use a fuel station as a U-turn zone.) It fits between buildings; it fits as back-entrance to shops (when trucks bring goods in, or when buyers get high-volume goods they just paid for in the shop, such as furniture; ...) The main issue we have with tags is that they are not international enough: - for instance, there is one tag about "public transport vehicle" (from the top of my mind) called "ptv"_something, and it's always a pain to remember it. And the PTV scheme does not fit any other country schemes, so no one can use this tag. - another example: the famous "living streets" do not exist in most countries, because the definition is strictly related to driving codes. So other countries will have to adapt the tag, or to decide not to use it (which is mostly the case in France), or to create another one. In these cases, the tags are too precise, and not international enough. The best way to manage this would be to create generic tags with possibly slightly different meanings in different countries (we have different speed limits in different countries...) This has been managed with "primary / secondary / tertiary", which are not "state_managed / couty_managed / city_managed" but more generic. I think it may be a good idea to create a task-force with few leaders (3 ?), and 3 active contributors per COUNTRY (with at least one living in a big city, and another one in countryside), who would redefine the tags. As said, it's going to happen anyway some time. I also think that a common tags set for all countries just cannot be feasible. ----- Mail Original ----- De: "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> À: "OSM Talk" <talk@openstreetmap.org> Envoyé: Lundi 25 Août 2008 11:39:08 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [OSM-talk] service roads as driveways 2008/8/25 Lester Caine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think that is the key here. The illogical use of 'unclassified' in the UK is > what causes the problem. So 'service' was added as a designation for a small > road that would probably be 'unclassified' in the rest of the world. > > We then add 'public' or 'private' relating to ACCESS, and I see little point > adding yet another main 'designation' such as 'drive' unless there is a real > difference in how these types of road need rendering. > > wiki is running incredibly slow at the moment, so I can't check some of the > other fine detail, micro-mapping of private property such as drives, parking > areas and property within an individuals boundaries should be 'ring-fenced' > with tagging that allows this low level detail to be excluded as required? > 4 minutes to get http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Highway page ... > I'm almost tempted to suggest highway=private rather than highway=service, > access=private, service=driveway. So I can see the reasoning behind tidying up > some of this micro-mapping detail ... The 'service' attributes seem to > contradict the actual definition of highway=service above > > And when did highway=services get added SURELY that is amenity=services ? If I > am looking amenities I would NEVER look in the highway list! agreed on all this unfortunately, i think this is a side-effect of people adding to a tag one bit at a time, with none considering the thing as a whole. maybe we need someone or a coordinated group of someones to look at this in detail and see how to fix them all together, now we've been using the highway tag for some years, and most use cases have been considered? it's going to happen sometime, all it needs is someone brave to dive in... _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
