Paul

I think you may misunderstand the intention of the proposal - which I
strongly support. I use route relations a great deal and find them very
valuable indeed - but they do not meet the need for assigning a property
(designation=) to a particular single stretch of way to describe its legal
status. I very often find it is necessary to tag a way (a) for its physical
condition on the ground using highway= , (b) for its legal status - hugely
important to know whether it is permissible to walk a way, illegal to walk
it or permissive - and to know whether use of the way in question is likely
to meet with obstructions and, if so, whether there are legal remedies or
not. I agree that there is a rendering problem. I do not see how a service=
tag meets this need in any way - are you suggesting we use highway=service
for a minor footpath that may not even be visible on the ground across
fields but is a vital link between villages with a legal status and
centuries of use? I fail to see the connection!

Mike Harris

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] 
Sent: 11 June 2009 02:43
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Designation

Richard Mann wrote:
> This is a request for comments on the proposal for a new 
> Key:designation. Hopefully it's had it's rough edges removed already, 
> but I would appreciate your comments.
>  
> Richard
>  
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Designation

I'm opposed; this seems like a duplication of effort for what route
relations are currently for, and creates redundancy and overlap in scope
with the service= and highway= tags.  As such, this really sounds like a
step in the wrong direction.  Perhaps expanding the service= tags and
getting the mapnik and osmarender we use on the slippymap to render these
things instead of route tags on the underlying ways when the underlying way
is a member of a route=road relation.

The cyclemap is getting this right; but strangely, none of the other
renderers.  And it's not like it would be that hard to get that fixed;
someone's already rendering road relations complete with correct highway
badges already.

http://weait.com/maps/?zoom=11&lat=43.14469&lon=-79.17383&layers=0B0




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