SteveC wrote: > On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote: > >> How is zooming all the way in & repeatedly panning around to centre up, >> quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? >> > > Hi, you've never done a UI review. > > http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study > > Money quote: > > "Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing > interface. Despite users’ overall excitement about Wikipedia, their > willingness to spend up to an hour on the site, and varying levels of > computer expertise, they largely failed to make edits correctly without > repeated attempts and efforts." > > It would be worse for OSM. Ir shouldn't be. >
What proof do you have for that? You're comparing oranges with apples. With OSM being vector graphics & icons, it's much easier to get to grips with than a scripting language. (As a side point, I think all references to XML format data should be banned from the wiki. It's too confusing & not relevant for newbies.) Initial points after skimming your link: 15 is not a big enough set for accurate conclusions. Even worse it was vetted down, removing users who were willing editors. This gives a distorted view on how user friendly it is. And they were just from SF. Environment plays a big part in opinion surveys like this. Going on the photo' for the remote sessions it's results are hardly surprising - uncomfortable seats, broom cupboard room (I bet it got hot in there) & poor posture positions. Most OSM users will learn at their own pace in the comfort of their own homes. I got to grips with OSM fairly quickly, yet I've still not worked out how to edit a wiki properly. >> 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. >> Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. >> But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy >> to use if we can expose a simple bug system. It's very clear that nobody can >> convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to >> use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, >> but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his choice, >> and it's totally fine, but if we all feel that way then we have to deal with >> the downside that every single day we lose tens of thousands of edits >> because of that monopoly on bad UI. All I'm suggesting is we sidestep the >> problem and connect people who can report a map bug but can't be bothered to >> deal with pain and suffering of potlatch with the people who can deal with >> it, at least until Richard gets his act together and stops fixing every >> stupid thing in the old codebase. You have to take a step back here and >> realise what we're missing out on. >> >> You really are a grade A tosser. >> When most people here treat others with respect, why do you have to >> degenerate it into a juvenile, Youtube style slanging match? >> What do you think Granny's reaction will be when she reads this? >> > > Sorry, And so you should be. > do you disagree with any specific point I made? > I disagree with you general attitude. Regards Dave F. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
