On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC <st...@asklater.com> wrote: >>>> ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write >>>> something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to >>>> finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't give a shit >>>> and lives on a boat in bliss. That's his choice, and it's totally fine, >>>> but if we all feel that way then we have to deal with the downside that >>>> every single day we lose tens of thousands of edits because of that >>>> monopoly on bad UI. All I'm suggesting is we sidestep the problem and >>>> connect people who can report a map bug but can't be bothered to deal with >>>> pain and suffering of potlatch with the people who can deal with it, at >>>> least until Richard gets his act together and stops fixing every stupid >>>> thing in the old codebase. ... >>> >>> This comment is so completely over the top that for me at least it >>> completely invalidates anything else that SteveC might say. Potlatch is an >>> excellent tool for many users, myself included. >> >> It mostly works for me too, but we have a lot of patience. If you look at >> the bigger picture beyond us though it's very hard to use and there's a much >> better codebase waiting in the wings. It doesn't look like that will be >> finished. Now, you can dance around that and talk about how receptive >> Richard is: >> >>> It has been improving steadily, and in my experience Richard Fairhurst is >>> very thoughtful and receptive. >> >> And that's fine, and he is thoughtful... but at the end of the day that >> doesn't make PL any easier to use. The simple fact is that PL2 needs to get >> finished and PL1 needs to be put in to an end-of-life freeze. I don't see >> that happening, but I do see hundreds of frustrated people at conferences >> (like I did yesterday) who give up on it when really we should be welcoming >> them. So I'd prefer not to pretend there isn't a problem, there is, it's >> big, and we should try to do something about it. > > I know you don't personify CloudMade but if you think Potlatch 2 is > such a high priority perhaps CM could have helped with its development > instead of striking out on its own with Mapzen - an editor that's also > written in AS3.
I think you're forgetting just how hard it was to convince Richard that AS3 was a good idea in the first place :-) > Aside from that I don't know how closely you follow Potlatch 1 > development but most of the changes in the last half year have been > purely bugfixes: i18n fixes, Haiti / nearmap imagery support etc. Sure, sure, but the point is that if you spent those same man hours on PL2, it would be here by now. > But as we can't change the past work on making it an alternative to > Potlatch on the main site (as well as offering JOSM as another > alternative). > > This is something I brought up on IRC yesterday. I think it would be > nice to change the Edit tab so that when the first time you use it > you don't get Potlatch but a short page showing screenshots & a short > explanation for the most popular editors, with an emphasis on the > Potlatch/Mapzen icon explaining that you can edit "right now" if you > go that route. > > Then after that when editing you'd get a short message somewhere on > the page saying "You're editing with Potlatch [<link>configure another > editor</link>]" I think this is a cool idea. Yours &c. Steve _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
