On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Andy Allan wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, SteveC <st...@asklater.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC <st...@asklater.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Sure, you don't like the way I communicate sometimes
>>> 
>>> Hmm. It sounds to me like you don't think you've done anything wrong?
>>> I notice you don't write "Sure, I'm grossly offensive without due
>>> cause sometimes", but instead infer that the issue isn't the way you
>>> behave, instead it's that other people dislike your behaviour.
>> 
>> Andy all I'm doing is repeating what I get from newbies all the time, and 
>> adding another sentence that you ignore because below you just want to 
>> evolve things, and I think it needs a step change.
> 
> "but he doesn't give a shit and lives on a boat in bliss"

I also said 'that's fine'

> doesn't
> sound like "all you're doing is repeating what you get from newbies".

yes, I'm going a step further is pointing out the cause.

>> Andy, building community and moving things on is not just "be nice to 
>> everyone all the time". Sometimes it's also about being honest and saying, 
>> this is wrong, we can fix it.
> 
> If you can't be nice when you criticise, then don't criticise. And
> please learn the difference between being honest and being rude.



>>> * Steve apologies - without caveats - regarding his demeaning of
>>> existing developers work
>> 
>> You're not seriously suggesting the PL user experience is non-crap and the 
>> codebase is non-crap right? Because I think that's all I said.
> 
> Nice apology. I like the way you've learned to show respect for other
> people's work.

Dude - *my work* was crap! Just go and look at the code! Then people like Matt 
and Frederik came and Shaun and you added/fixed things.

Can't you just get over yourself and admit that a newbie coming to OSM has a 
crap time? It's not hard! Stop defending it all.

Yours &c.

Steve
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