You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again: this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE. Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way.
So this particular voting can ONLY be treated as a discussion, nothing more. K. 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl>: > On Fri, 7 May 2010 12:32:28 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev <bestou...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Did I say 'decide'? No. >> >> As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list >> THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he >> wants. That's an axiom. >> >> Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is >> the only rule (copyright questions are nothing to do with mapping >> techniques and with data being mapped). >> >> Thus the voting on wiki IS NOT A RULE, it is just discussion. And so - >> please stop accusing Russians for trying to decide something against >> the spirit of OSM. > > The only reason I can read that page is because of the Google translator. > I do not understand the Russian language and have a very limited ability to > read cyrillic. So please correct me (and the rest of non-Russian speakers) > if Google translates this wrong or if I understand it wrong: > > The first paragraph is translated as > >> The results of this vote will be used to solve all the subsequent >> controversy about state secrets in the OSM in Russia. Please read >> carefully from a list of objects classified as state secrets, to >> assess the consequences. > > That does not really say that it is just a discussion and not a rule. > If it is just a discussion, then why need a vote for it? The whole feel of > the page seems to me to regulate if people are allowed to enter state > secrets and if they are allowed to remove them. > Especially connected with question 3 and 4, the first paragraph suggests > that it would be ok to remove data (if the first option is voted) and that > there is some kind of governing body within OSM that approves this. > > But if you feel that I understand this incorrectly, than I accept that. > > Regards, > Maarten > >> >> R. >> >> 2010/5/7 Maarten Deen <md...@xs4all.nl>: >>> On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev > <bestou...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> There are no rules in OSM. >>> >>> That is not entirely true. >>> >>>> So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we >>>> want about our country in out own language and you do not have any >>>> f*cking right to call it substandard. >>> >>> You can decide what you yourself want to enter into OSM or not. >>> You can not decide for others what they can or can not enter into OSM. >>> You can not decide that it is illegal for others to enter certain >>> information into OSM. >>> You can not decide that it is legal to remove correct information from >>> OSM. >>> >>> Apart from that: keep on mapping! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Maarten >>> >>>> >>>> Kirill, >>>> from Russia. >>>> >>>> 2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge <o...@petschge.de>: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>>> My personal opinion: >>>>>> Let them. >>>>> I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But >>> see >>>>> below for details. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap >>>>> without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to >>> prevent >>>>> a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. >>>>> It is definitly good that they try to figure out how to map and use > OSM >>>>> in Russia without putting themselves at risk. >>>>> >>>>> BUT that shouldn't mean that they get to descide unilaterally in a >>>>> language most people in OSM don't understand what can be mapped in >>>>> Russia. >>>>> >>>>> If they think it is too risky to map a military area fine. But they >>> have >>>>> no f*cking right to decide if I want to risk to map that area. If > that >>>>> area exists and the "truth on the ground" shows that it is a military >>>>> area then it must be ok to add it to OSM. >>>>> >>>>> Why? Otherwise we'll loose all our data in China, North Korea and >>>>> probably several other countries within month. Do you really want >>>>> Americans to delete the map of Gunantanamo Bay? Do you want Chinese > to >>>>> delete the border around Taiwan? Really really? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has >>>>> "issues" in interpreting freedom of speech >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech>, freedom of >>> conscience >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_conscience>, freedom from > fear >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_fear> and freedom from > want >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_want> should not interfere >>> in >>>>> this particular topic. It makes me sad that having the luxury of all >>>>> freedoms, seems to make some people incapable of understanding that >>> this >>>>> is NOT (yet) a common privilige in other parts of the world.. >>>>> I totally understand that mapping in Russia (or any other > "substandard" >>>>> country) can be a huge risk. I totally understand if they don't want > to >>>>> risk their live, freedom or happiness for five nodes in OSM. But that >>>>> doesn't give them the right to make rules about what can be mapped > and >>>>> what not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick "Petschge" Kilian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> talk mailing list >>>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
