+ 1 to the ideas by Clifford and Pawel. I took another look at http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries . Yesterdays edits are done by 2.5K.members, of which almost a quarter made edits in Germany. For a big country like the US: 176 members did an edit there yesterday. I personally don't think that's a lot. If we want to have the best maps, I would like to see this number rising from 176 to for example 2.000 in a few years time.
It's mentioned that the present developing methodology (trial and error / R&D approach) is good. I share that thought. It's an invaluable asset (strong point) which we should carefully guard. It has given us Mapnik, JOSM etc. It's been mentioned that we shouldn't talk much. That's true, Using mkgmap I constantly try to realize that OSM in my country is better than TeleAtlas/Navteq. These professional maps are one of the reasons I use OSM a lot: it's my personal experience that they never listen to customer feedback with their 'reporters'. But without talking the weaknesses will only slowly improve. Simply because we don't indentify the weaknesses, don't prioritize them and therefore don't act to improve them. It's also been mentioned that it's a threat for OSM if too much people get involved. I don't agree. Some OSM'ers developed great tools to respond to vandalism. And it's always possible to have a more sophisticated system: I don't think it's okay if a brandnew OSM'er adjusts a country border. By the way: the boundaries in OSM are another weakness. Ever tried to use them in a map which covers more than one country? It's also mentioned that strategic planning will cost a small fortune. Yep, it's possible to do it that way. It's also possible to keep cost down to zero: just gather some people who - in an open process (Wiki / SOTM) - want to think about the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats for OSM. About that point: I'm available to join the Strategic Working Group ( http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Strategic_Working_Group ). I hope some others (Pawel, Clifford, .... ?) will also be available to join the SWG. Cheers, Johan And I love the idea of a good slogan like the mentioned 'Maps with a human touch' 2013/1/8 Paweł Paprota <ppa...@fastmail.fm> > On 01/08/2013 08:32 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > >> >> I will develop a survey with the help of anyone that wishes to >> contribute. >> > > That's a potentially good initiative but I would be careful so that it > does not "degenerate" into another kind of todo or wishlist, like this: > > http://osm.uservoice.com/**forums/41047-general<http://osm.uservoice.com/forums/41047-general> > > From my point of view the main problem is that there is simply not > enough people doing stuff (with the main site). For example: I have > subscribed to a lot (dozens) of wiki pages with technical documentation > several weeks ago. To this day I have only got maybe one notification > that someone changed something on these pages. > > Like I said before, there is plenty of "obvious" work to be done before > we need to resort to defining a grand vision of the future. > > My complaint about lack of conclusion to this thread was more about the > fact that... well, more about an impression than a fact I guess since I > can't seem to name it... there does not seem to be much momentum yet for > doing stuff like WikiMedia. Looking at their approach really shows how > more mature (although not always right - all those formal processes, > ewww) they are. > > > Paweł > > ______________________________**_________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk<http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk> >
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