On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:52:40 -0500 john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> HOT and OSM are slightly different, HOT maps on OSM but uses a > simpler more standardized approach. Many of their volunteers often > do not know enough English to write a meaningful change set comment. In that case somebody is editing OSM. Doing it for HOT related-purposes does not mean that it has special rights. In that case "HOT and OSM are slightly different" is meaningless and not relevant - it is OSM. > HOT tends to map in areas that do not have a great deal of OSM mapping > already in place so I don't see that it really matters if they use > preset comments from the tile system. Again - it is edit in OSM. Imports, remote mapping, including remote mapping for HOT purposes have no special rights. If anything armchair and automated mapping must be more careful. Claiming that empty/useless changeset comments are OK is absurd and arrogant. > Or are we now asking that all mappers on OSM have to be able to read > and write in English since that is the normal language for > communication in OSM or is one of the local African languages > sufficient. In that case complaint was clearly about content - or to be more precise lack of it. Using local language is perfectly OK. > On 18 November 2015 at 19:11, Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to draw everyone's attention to a long-standing > > community recommendation: > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments > > > > It explains why you should use sensible changeset comments that > > describe what you (think you) have been doing. > > > > I don't know exactly who encourages this, but I am seeing lots of > > changesets with comments like this: > > > > #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC) > > #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek > > > > This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we don't > > evaluate these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream > > services that do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag > > (remember, changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number > > of tags). > > > > As a reader of the edit history of a place, I am interested in > > someone writing that they have traced buildings or drawn roads or > > done whatever. I'm not so much interested in (what I perceive as) > > vanity hashtags, they don't help me understand what the person did. > > > > I mean look at this: > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=6/8.418/43.923 > > > > It's really a caricature of what changeset comments were meant to > > be. > > > > Can it be fixed somehow, or have we permanently moved from changeset > > comments being aimed at your fellow human mappers to changeset > > comments being auto-generated for consumption by some software that > > makes sense of them? > > > > Bye > > Frederik > > > > -- > > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" > > E008°23'33" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk