On Monday 25 April 2016, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > You are not seriously suggesting that paying a proprietary data > > vendor for a likely restrictive license to use some imagery for > > mapping in OSM is in support of the idea of open data? > > I, too, am wary of this initiative because of the underlying idea > that working without aerial imagery is a waste of time. IMHO the > non-availability of aerial imagery primarily means that there will be > less armchair mapping which I consider a good thing (but I know that > my position on that is a minority position among humanitarian > mappers). > > Having said that, paying for propietary imagery isn't without > precedent in OSM, see for example http://wiki.openstreetmap.org and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WissensWert/40_-_Luftbilder_f%C3%BCr_ >OpenStreetMap
Yes, given the inherent ambiguities in the matter my statement was probably a bit too undifferentiated. Paying for licensing commercial imagery and then making them available for OSM can be good for OSM and therefore open data of course - this is what Bing and Mapbox are doing on a significant scale for example but generally the application for mapping in OSM is only a secondary use here. On the other hand if the community tries to acquire funds for image licenses themselves for the sole purpose of mapping this is highly questionable and i am not sure if i can imagine a situation where i would consider the gain by this justifies both the expense (the money could be used otherwise) and channeling money into non-open data production. Another perspective i consider important here: the open data movement and in particular OSM have been very successful in breaking the dominance of proprietary data and achieving a significant stand in the overall market of map data, in particular human infrastructure mapping (roads, buildings, POIs, addresses etc.). In the field of imagery OTOH open data has - although clearly on the rise these days - still a much weaker standing. This has reasons of course, like the significant upfront investments necessary to produce this kind of data, but solid support from the already much more successful OSM world by emphasizing the need and desire for truly open image data would certainly help this sector a lot. -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk