2016-06-22 15:52 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com>: > The scope for growth of our community with Maps.me is phenomenal. Of > course there is room for improvement. But it's never going to be easy to > lower the barriers to participation without losing quality. > > > I don't think that it's an explicitly MAPS.ME problem - it's a "new > mappers" one. There have been "ban iD", "ban Potlatch" etc. complaints > since those editors have existed, and new mappers using JOSM are just as > likely to make a mess of things as with other editors, but the resulting > fallout tends to be rather more nuclear. >
there are some fundamental differences between our common editors and maps.me: 1. maps.me doesn't show the full geometry of things / everything available in osm 2. maps.me doesn't show tags and has few feature classes and has sometimes problematic translations (maybe the last point applies to other editors in non-pro-mode as well) 3. maps.me doesn't show recent data but old data 4. maps.me doesn't show all information at an object, even common stuff like internationalized names aren't available to the editor (they promised to work on this) > - if the maps.me data is old, any added object should be a note by default > > > We get "notes by default" from other apps that use old data (e.g. Navmii) > and in that case it's just as annoying to deal with - actually more so in > that case as the notes are anonymous. > it's not a point that other apps do things worse by using anonymous users for their contributions. If we got as much feedback from Navmii than we do currently from maps.me we would surely blame them as well. > > - maps.me should investigate why response is so low to changeset > comments. Maybe OSM messages can be integrated in the app? Maybe added info > should be Note by default until they have responded to a test message sent > through the OSM messaging system. (though in my experience response to any > OSM message is low, not just maps.me users) > > > I'm not convinced that the reply rate from MAPS.ME users is much lower > than other new mappers. As you say, new mappers often don't reply - > probably because they think of OSM as a map or a database rather than a > community, and databases don't in general talk back to you. well, IF the database talks back, and this is what is happening, they would make up their mind then, no? > The same options are available with unresponsive MAPS.ME users as with > other users - try and contact them via changeset discussions, and if that > doesn't work drop a mail to the Data Working Group explaining the problem. I have refrained from doing so until now, because DWG ressources are limited as well, and I didn't want to throw too much on them. > > - maybe we should have a manual review system in place for ALL maps.me > changesets, until someone marks the account as "experienced" > > > That's pretty much what's happening already (just not with MAPS.ME users > only). In many places around the world new mappers are either explicitly > welcomed or helped along through their first few edits. There's even been > a recent help question about using whodidit for the purpose: > can't speak for others, but I am currently just reviewing the FIRST edits by NEW users, and I don't have near the ressources I'd need to stick to this and follow them. It doesn't matter whether the edits are one week or one hour old, in most cases I have reviewed noone has either commented on the changesets or changed the objects so far, so I guess this is not something that will sort itself out "automatically". Have a look at whodidit for the center of Rome: Zverik's instance is currently not working (no tiles): http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/?zoom=14&lat=41.89546&lon=12.49434&layers=B try this one: http://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/?zoom=13&lat=41.88897&lon=12.4797&layers=BTT Some users I have found with Pascal Neis' new users tool have headed to Florence and Paris afterwards, I bet you can find a similar situation there, and also in Venice, London, Munich and other places that are heavily frequented by tourists. Cheers, Martin
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