On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Toby Murray <toby.mur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To start off with, meet Creek Turnpike: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1250473 > > The section of Creek Turnpike that runs from US 64 east to Oklahoma > highway 351 (the section that hooks south around the "Broken Arrow" > label) has been given the (additional) name "Liberty Parkway" > > The name "Liberty Parkway" is displayed on exactly two signs along the > side of the road. One in each direction of travel at the beginning of > the section bearing the name. The text is not readable in these two > pictures but I accept that these signs on the side of the road do > indeed say "Liberty Parkway": > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=cm5oVVWk80AaduDL7nyEqg&focus=photo > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=68OvirwWRGLfsukjcViWVg&focus=photo This is typical for motorway name signage in Oklahoma, though usually repeated after major interchanges. Liberty Parkway has only two major interchanges, so it's not unexpected for it to be so sparsely signed. > Additionally, there is a trail named "Liberty Parkway Trail" that runs > along this section of highway and is mapped here: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1203739 This is newer than, and named after, the Liberty Parkway, which it parallels for it's entire length. The parkway appears to be named after https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4788985968, which was installed (albeit inaccessibly to the public originally) before the trail was built. > However, highway direction signs at onramps and interchanges seem to > all say either "Creek Turnpike" or simply "Turnpike": > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=0n7y8MbjPuXcfsxgL7j1ww&focus=photo > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=7NgyVhy8W3AzaDhcs_wgmA&focus=photo > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=Z5vS2VS0-N1zvXSG8seBVw&focus=photo > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=aOye82EFOJuUZHrElTKwmA&focus=photo > > So, how do we tag this situation? Both parties are claiming "ground > truth" supports their view and certainly there is evidence for both > names signed on the ground. > > An argument can certainly be made that the name "Creek Turnpike" is > present on the route relation so the member ways can contain the more > specific "Liberty Parkway" name. > Nobody's in disagreement that Creek Turnpike is the name of the route. > At the end of the day, this edit war is basically an argument over > tagging for the renderer. Which name gets displayed more prominently > on rendered maps that typically only use the name tag from ways. I'm > guessing if common renderers displayed the alt_name tag in some way, > one of the names would have been put there and this would never have > grown into an edit war in the first place. > > I could just about flip a coin on this and be happy either way. > However since "Creek Turnpike" and "Turnpike" are used on all the > onramps, it does seem a little more appropriate for that to be > displayed more prominently with "Liberty Parkway" being put in the > alt_name tag on the ways. > One would be wise to not take the blue street name signs in Broken Arrow as more than ballpark accurate without asking someone who has an address along it what it's actually called. Most of them say "NORTHBOUND/SOUTHBOUND" arbitrarily on the Creek Turnpike, which by all other accounts, an east-west route. OK 51 also gets crazy inconsistent on whether that (diagonal, but nominally east-west) highway is east-west or north-south or in-out, but is also an example of a named route with specific names also named (the city signs in that case only include a route shield if the city posted the ramp with a name sign in that highway's case; this was not done on OK 351 because the signs currently in place are older than the ~2015 assignment of a number; so it's at least consistent that they're referring to the route and not the roadway's name on the overhead blue streetname signs). Plus many Broken Arrow streets have two or three different streetnames posted (sometimes very ambiguously, in the case of 9th Street/177th East Avenue/Lynn Lane; and almost all streets, section lines in particular, often have multiple names ambiguously posted, about the only consistent factor being the name that coincides with a city name is most likely to be the name of the road and what people's street addresses are). Not that we have to do things the same as everyone else but as another > data point I checked a few other maps and they all seem to display > "Creek Turnpike" along this section although one of them also has an > alternate name of "Broken Arrow South Loop" which... I have no idea > where that comes from so let's just ignore that :) > This was the correct name before the 2006 rename of this section. > Lastly, I will point out that an internet search for "Liberty Parkway" > with various additions of "Oklahoma" or "Tulsa" or "Broken Arrow" all > return top results that are about the trail. In fact, the only results > I see referring to the road are links to OSM ways that have been the > subject of this edit war. > It does come up in conversation, however, as it immediately and conveniently identifies that specific segment of the Creek Turnpike unambiguously.
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