I am in favor of this or similar language.  I think for a more vote-like
discussion it might be better to use the wiki talk page (easier to add +1s
and short comments).

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:59 PM stevea <stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> I don't know if here or https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice is a
> better place to discuss and eventually insert these suggested improvements
> into https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Good_practice#Verifiability (and its first
> section, "Map what's on the ground").
>
> I suggest adding these essences of this thread there:
>
> "'Independent verifiability' is a crucial component of the Good Practice
> of mapping what is on the ground, as sometimes there IS no evidence
> on-the-ground that a map feature should be appropriately tagged anything in
> particular.  For example, some boundaries are effectively invisible, but
> OSM maps them (and should).  Also, there are no or few signs which say
> "Pacific Ocean" or "Rocky Mountains," yet OSM authoritatively maps these
> natural=* features with an agreed-correct name=* tag.  Similarly, there are
> routes (road, bicycle, hiking, equestrian...) which might exist on a
> government-published map (and hence are ODbL-compatible) yet remain
> unsigned (or poorly signed) in the real world.  From what authority must we
> determine the source "verifiability" of these "invisible" or "unsigned" map
> features?  As long as these are "independently verifiable" (by a government
> map, legal / statutory decree, data authoritatively published on a website,
> by unanimous agreement among locals and a wider public or at least with
> very wide consensus), the map feature with its verifiable tags may be
> entered into OSM following Good Practice.  'Independent verifiability'
> means any member of the public, freely, anytime and with no special
> privileges can 'consult the source' and verify the data."
>
> I'm simply tossing that out here, if it shouldn't stick, please fix it.  I
> think it important that the phrasing is first vetted (here or on the Talk
> page) and I do think something like this should be entered into our
> Good_practice wiki to clarify OTG as we have discussed it here.
>
> Thanks in advance for any brief review and comments / suggestions you
> might offer,
> SteveA
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