> IMHO attribution should always be required 1. on the map 2. in high contrast
Agreed. The main problem is that mobile devices, which are by far the most common ways of accessing maps around the world, are only required to provide attribution after a click or swipe, or even just on app startup with a short "splash" screen: "mobile devices may have attribution after one interaction. Examples of one interaction include “one click,” such as an icon or link that opens a pop-up or new webpage, or a swipe, drag, pinch, etc." "Alternatively, mobile devices may provide attribution on a splash screen on application startup or in a pop-up that fades/collapses automatically." https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Draft_Attribution_Guideline#Mobile_devices This is the case even if the map takes up the whole, high-resolution screen and there is plenty of room for a Maps.me or Mapbox + ESRI + App logo in the right hand corner. I do not consider this reasonable, or the excuse for "max 25% of displayed window": that could be up to 1400 x 800 pixels on my laptop. I think there should be a statement in the guideline that Openstreetmap attribution must not be inferior to attribution of other data sources or the map designer. That is, if the app logo or aerial imagery copyright is shown, then Openstreetmap must also be shown at the same time. If Openstreetmap is relegated to a separate splash page or linked page, the other copyright/logo features must also be on that page. We should not give up on enforcing basic ethical behavior from corporations. Everyone who has been to school knows that copying without attribution is plagarism, and putting your logo on the front makes it look like plagarism if Openstreetmap is relegated to a non-visible page. - Joseph M Eisenberg (Hobbiest mapper from USA in Indonesia, volunteer contributor to the Openstreetmap Carto map style. I have no financial or professional interest or conflict.) On 2/19/20, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > Am Mi., 19. Feb. 2020 um 13:53 Uhr schrieb Frederik Ramm < > frede...@remote.org>: > >> > Not to mention the most blatant attempts at sneaking corporate wishlist >> > items into the guideline are all still there - like the 10000 m^2 map >> > area limit that has been conjured out of thin air >> >> True, this is a bit strange, it would have to be replaced by "an area of >> up to 1,000 inhabitants" as per the "Substantial" guideline - though I >> don't find the difference outrageous, in fact the 10.000m² will only be >> *friendlier* towards non-attribution than the "1.000 inhabitatants" in >> densely populated urban areas. > > > > I guess 10k sqm will be a stronger requirement (almost) everywhere, for > example look at Manhattan, maybe not the densest place on earth, but surely > one of the densers. With roughly 27500 inhabitants per sqkm, on the average > 100x100m NYC patch there will only be 275 inhabitants. > > > > I stumbled upon the small maps section. > __ > The following maps are each considered small: > > - The map takes up less than 25% of the displayed window, or > - The map is of less than 500 device-independent pixels horizontally. > > Small maps may have attribution after one interaction. Examples of one > interaction include “one click,” such as an icon or link that opens a > pop-up or new webpage that displays attribution, or a mouseover, swipe, > drag, pinch, etc. > __ > > Isn't the reason for not requiring attribution _on the map_ the limited > space? Why is there a condition that makes (easily visible) attribution not > mandatory for extremely large screens? There is a development from several > screens to large screens, and pixel density is generally growing, so the > "max 25% of the displayed window is a map" condition doesn't seem > reasonable. IMHO attribution should always be required > > 1. on the map > 2. in high contrast > > (3. in a lower corner, left or right) > > I am not sure what "device-independent pixels" means. Is this about points > (i.e. physical, hardware screen pixels divided by the scale)? IMHO we > should require actual, physical pixels, because it is them who determine > whether the attribution string will be readable --- and the requirement > should be tougher. We have seen many examples of easily readable, > unobtrusive attribution on much smaller maps. For example the osm.org > website on 467 pixels wide has room for a scale bar and this text: "© > OpenStreetMap contributors # Make a Donation. Website and API terms" in a > single line. > > The actual requirement for "© OpenStreetMap contributors" is around 163 > pixels. My suggestion would be to make this half: 250 pixels, maybe even > less like 200 (theoretical) pixels for retina screens (i.e. 400 actual > pixels on retina@2x and 600 actual pixels on retina@3x). > Our goal is not to avoid attribution but to show it when it can reasonably > be done. > > > >> In my opinion, if you train your AI black box with OSM data then >> everything that comes out of your AI black box later is a derived work >> and must come under the ODbL. > > > > +1 > > Cheers > Martin > _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
