On 2020-05-26 15:53, Dave F via talk wrote:
>
>
> On 26/05/2020 09:19, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote:
>>
>> sorry, my fault, it is bicycle_road=yes in addition to highway=*
>> (usually residential)
>>
>> and it isn't a cycleway as it is a regular road that is either blocked
>> for most motor vehicles,
>
> Then that's a cycleway. Irrelevant of construction (width, surface,
> kerbs, drainage) if only bike riders are allowed along it, then it's a
> cycleway.
>
well, tagging reality disagrees, and it is also a different legal construct
than a cycleway here in Germany.
By that logic you could also say we don't need highway=pedestrian as
irrelevant of construction it is just a footway ...
>> or -- unfortunately more common -- that motor
>> vehicles may also use, but with bicycles having priority.
>
> There's no mention of that on the English wiki page. Looks more like a
> standard residential road with 'drivers be aware - there are cyclists
> about.
There is, although it is somewhat hidden. It starts with
"In Germany the following tags are implied but they are usually still
tagged:
vehicle=no (all vehicles are prohibited)
bicycle=designated (except bicycles, road is designated for this
vehicle type)"
but at least in my area most of these roads have the extra
"motor_vehicle=yes" from the bottom of the "additional signs" list.
Also legally it is not just "be aware of cyclists" (for that we have
a different sign, white triangle with red outline and a bicycle icon),
it is "this road is primarily for bicycles, in case of conflict, e.g.
if a space is too tight to pass for both at the same time, the motor
vehicle has to stand back", and it also comes with an implicit
max. speed of 30km/h for motor vehicles, among other restrictions ...
While for the "pure" bycicle_road I'd somewhat agree to "these are just
extra wide cycleways", but for those with "motor vehicles allowed"
exception (which is more like the norm in my area) it is really a
different class of road.
But in the end it doesn't even really matter: such rows should be
visible in the overlay, even if simply rendered the same as "normal"
cycleways ...
--
hartmut
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