That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
a collection of separate components.
Given that we're already looking at other things there is
no point in spending several months and many man hours on
attempting a migration to something that we have to install
from source and then try and keep up to date without any
upstream packages.
You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
got close to that is Discourse.
A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
Tom
On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:
https://www.python.org/community/lists/
<https://www.python.org/community/lists/>
What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than
pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.
If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman
focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server
specific steps that make the process harder?)
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html
<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>
Thanks,
IpswichMapper
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14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:
It's not going to happen.
Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
deploy than what we have.
Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
totally different product.
There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
Tom
On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
administration experience, or that much coding experience for
that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.
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14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:
From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
<https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>,
Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
I was wondering if all the lists on
https://lists.openstreetmap.org
<https://lists.openstreetmap.org>
could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
archiver).
Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
*unusable*.
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
than
the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
use the
mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
understand why others would think so).
Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
so, so
much more useable.
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Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/
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http://compton.nu/
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