On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?
From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher priorities
that absorb administrative resources - so unless you can offer a hand,
I'm afraid that things will remain as they are for now.
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14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by t...@compton.nu:
That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data
and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing
and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a
quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged
and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is
a collection of separate components.
Given that we're already looking at other things there is
no point in spending several months and many man hours on
attempting a migration to something that we have to install
from source and then try and keep up to date without any
upstream packages.
You're right that the UI tries to be a web forum but from
personal experience I can say that it fails - it's probably
a better UI as a simple archiver but it's no use as a way
of reading lists day to day. The only thing that's ever
got close to that is Discourse.
A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid.
Tom
On 14/12/2020 18:58, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:
https://www.python.org/community/lists/
<https://www.python.org/community/lists/>
What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more
useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.
If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The
mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping
over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?)
https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html
<https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html>
Thanks,
IpswichMapper
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14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by t...@compton.nu:
It's not going to happen.
Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to
deploy than what we have.
Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
totally different product.
There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
Tom
On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote:
Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman
administration experience, or that much coding experience for
that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+
years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.
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14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.org:
From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
<https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>,
Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
I was wondering if all the lists on
https://lists.openstreetmap.org
<https://lists.openstreetmap.org>
could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest
archiver).
Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is
*unusable*.
Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active*
than
the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might
use the
mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
understand why others would think so).
Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists
so, so
much more useable.
-- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/
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Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu)
http://compton.nu/
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