We've already posted about the Cognition Edit component and how it answers the
needs per the blog - Derick can wax more eloquent about it.  But yes - it is
dependent on Spring and Hibernate currently.  We are looking at collaborating
with Chris and Trails to see where we each have best practices.

I agree with you on having focus on Tapestry core items like #2 rather than the
'peripherals' that those with less experience can focus on.


Quoting Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Considering chris's previous comments and the fact the there are other
> options available for this as well #2 is sounding very appealing to me right
> now.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/4/06, Mind Bridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > 2) Work with mind bridge to see what these patches he had for OGNL were
> > a
> > > long time ago that theoretically sped up runtime performance of these
> > > operations. I see that these things are already being compiled and
> > cached
> > > though, so I'm wondering if this effort is even needed.
> > >
> > I am afraid standard compilation is not sufficient. Even compiled, OGNL
> > uses reflection to access the data. In the optimization I used Javassist
> > to access the data directly with compiled code to JVM, which resulted in
> > the significant speedup against compiled OGNL code (9 times, as far as I
> > remember). This did not cover the whole OGNL, but only property access,
> > however.
> >
> > Drew started working on OGNL 3.0 which I believe was designed to handle
> > such "compilation" (instead of reflection). If anyone desires to do so,
> > they could look at the code there and determine its potential...
> >
> > -mb
> >
> > Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> > > If there was a theoretical person who wanted to cut their teeth on
> > tapestry
> > > a little more closely than just using it, what would everyone like them
> > to
> > > work on ?
> > >
> > > I know we'd all like documentation / various infrastructure stuff done
> > but
> > > this is more an exercise in learning tapestry internals as well as
> > proving
> > > coding abilities and such...So, the value has to be on both sides.
> > >
> > > I don't think there's anything we could throw at this theoretical person
> > > that they couldn't handle, so feel free to think of whatever you like.
> > Keep
> > > in mind that I think we should probably just pick one for now, so think
> > > about it before voting :)
> > >
> > > My two ideas so far are:
> > >
> > > 1) Find a way to do what I described earlier with elimintating the need
> > to
> > > specify a translator binding...If this means working with Patrick
> > Lightbody
> > > over at opensymphony (where the ognl code now lies dormant) , then so be
> > it.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2) Work with mind bridge to see what these patches he had for OGNL were
> > a
> > > long time ago that theoretically sped up runtime performance of these
> > > operations. I see that these things are already being compiled and
> > cached
> > > though, so I'm wondering if this effort is even needed.
> > >
> > > 3) Work with whoever exists in the community doing hibernate things with
> > > tapestry and make Howard's EditObject blog entry a reality. This would
> > > hopefully be done in some project either hosted as a sub project on
> > > http://howardlewisship.com or as part of an existing project, like
> > honeycomb
> > > / James Carmen's work with trails / hiveutils / etc...
> > >
> > > I'm personally hoping for #3 because I think it will provide the most
> > value
> > > for the community. Everyone's input is welcome.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jesse Kuhnert
> > > Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
> > >
> > > Open source based consulting work centered around
> > > dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.  http://opennotion.com
> > >
> > >
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> 
> --
> Jesse Kuhnert
> Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer
> 
> Open source based consulting work centered around
> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind.  http://opennotion.com
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