It *could* get really ugly. But from the tone of the discussions, it
looks like the TSS folks are taking a very balanced and honest approach.
There was one ad hominem post that just listed the "culprits" without
any kind of logical support. Joseph seemed to take care of that well.
The best way to answer any unfounded blame is to ask for meaningful data
behind any presented analysis. If TSS keeps this up, I think the
Tapestry community, and the Java community as a whole will be served
well. I still have faith that the OSS community is a mertiocracy, and
that over the long run, merit wins out over marketing and FUD.
We'll see.
I did try to post something like this on TSS, but I couldn't login. :)
Ben
Geoff Longman wrote:
I understand. It's just that nobody is standing up for Tapestry and
you are the only one with enough information to do that without
sounding like an idiot.
I realize there's a fine line to tread to avoid things degenerating
into fingerpointing. But the way I see it, the longer TechTarget is
in trouble the more likely it is that they will start looking for
scapegoats. I'm sure the people in there are working hard to solve the
problems. But what if another 3 weeks go by without improvement? I
would expect at that point the insiders will go into "save my butt"
mode and shift blame to anything and everything they can to save thier
jobs.
I could get really ugly.
Geoff
On 9/23/05, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
These posts about TSS are troubling.
The basic issue is that I signed on with The Middleware Company to do
a number of phases of development of TheServerSide.com. The first
phase was the basic translation of the site to a component object
model, leaving all the functionality unchanged.
At the same time this was occuring, a seperate team was converting the
backend access from entity EJBs to Solarmetric Kodo.
In the end, I had less than a week to integrate the two before going
live. And yet, for the most part, the result was quite succesful.
However, with the acquisition of The Middleware Company by Tech
Target, my involvement with TSS came to an end; the later, more
interesting phases, where we simplified the stack and built
considerable UI improvements, has not come to pass. All I've seen is
the introduction of more and more ads on the site.
I can't talk to the root problem today; I don't know it ... I do know
that Tapestry is doing exactly what its supposed to be doing, that the
functionality problems (missing posts and such) are a problem at the
application layer (the stateless session bean used to manage
transactions) and the interaction between that layer, Kodo, Coherence,
WebLogic and the database. In fact, given the simplicity of the
database schema (just six or eight tables) I suspect the problem
really is in the configuration and integration of these elements.
Based on what I've read, and some high level discussions I had with
them last winter, I believe TechTarget is building a single enterprise
wide solution for all their many web sites., migrating away from the
Tcl-based Vignette solution used by the majority of their sites, as
well as the Tapestry-based solution for TSS.com and TSS.net. All I
know about the solution is that it will be based on JEE (assuming that
hasn't changed since our discussions).
On 9/22/05, Matt Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=36654
In the above referenced thread there is a reference to the TSS having some
serious issues with the perfromance and UI of their site and that they will
soon be moving to an all new codebase. Wasn't it pretty recently that TSS
relaunched using Tapestry? Are they having problems with it? I'd be curious
to find out as I'm considering using Tapestry on a large scale product in
the not to distant future and wouldn't want to come up against the same
problems.
--
Howard M. Lewis Ship
Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
Creator, Jakarta Tapestry
Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
Professional Tapestry training, mentoring, support
and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
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