ok ok I guess I'd better have my say. I'm going to build *something* for T4, if for no other reason that I have made many promises in the past and I'm not one to renege.
I'm afraid that that *something* will be less than what people are hoping for. The devil is in the details and I *am* crushed at work and don't have the hour or so it would take to lay it out in detail right now. Rest assured I will do so asap. As for T5+Spindle. A lot of effort has gone into figuring out (and failing to figure out) how tooling for T4 will go. To avoid this in the future I want to be more involved in the development of T5 to try and ensure this whole mess isn't repeated. I have already thrown out ideas on the dev list. I've taken the approach of avoiding the act of "drawing a line in the sand" and getting all bitchy if my ideas are not immediately accepted. I want T5 to be every bit as cool as Howard does, but I do have the ulterior motive to gently "steer" T5 in a direction where everyone is happy. I don't think much steering is needed to have T5 in a state where building Spindle 4T5 (!) will take anywhere near as long as 4T4 has taken to date. In my world "everyone is happy" when they have a T5 that does all the fantastic things we want it to do ****and*** we have a framework with excellent tool support. The last year working on Spindle 4T4 has been a real morale buster for me. (have a look at the spindle-dev archives for a taste of what I mean). Anywho, must climb back into my death march hole for (hopefully) another week. Geoff P.S. I really don't know how may people use Spindle today. The numbers have obviously dropped off since T4 has taken over. If you want tool support to have a higher priority going forward then speak up where the Tapestry committers can hear you. Hugo and I are just two voices in the committer crowd (that's growing pretty quickly these days!). On 4/10/06, Mark Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Like Mark says - it may make sense for Spindle to actually do that... I > wouldn't neccesarilly call it a "fear". It would probably be for the > benefit of having a much earlier T5 Spindle. > > If Geoff is pressed for time anyway, it may make more sense to start > getting a T5 spindle out the door, rather than spending time on T4, > which will be "discontinued" by the time he finishes. At that point we > will have the same delay for Spindle for T5 > > MARK > > > > > And to make things worse... has Geoff has stated he is still using T3 at > > work, so his efforts are on that direction... one has to pay the bills. > > Really hope that Marks fears don't come true and that Spindle doesn't skip > > T4! > > > > Come on Geoff we're all holding our breaths out here! Keep it up! ;-) > > > > > > On 4/10/06, Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Geoff is working on it when he has available cycles. And as we all know > >> free time is hard to come by. Currently, he is on some kind of death march > >> at his paying job so it will be a bit before he can get back to Spindle. > >> > >> He has stated on the Spindle Development list that supporting 4.x is very > >> different than supporting 3.x. And now that 5.0 is being written that > >> will not be backward compatible with 4.x or 3.x, it makes me wonder if > >> 4.xis worth the effort? I don't know if he can get it done before > >> 5.x starts becoming the next golden child. > >> > >> Personally, I am staying on 3.x until the dust settles. > >> > >> regards, > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Francis Amanfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Mon 4/10/2006 6:01 AM > >> To: Tapestry users > >> Subject: Re: spindle > >> > >> Tyi, Spindle for T4 is in a deep coma, dying a very slow death! ;-) > >> > >> F > >> > >> On 4/10/06, Korbinian Bachl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> does anyone know if spindle for T4 is still under development ? - the > >>> spindle blog says "on vacancy from 24th on..." and the mailing list also > >>> has > >>> no big signs about it.... > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Korbinian > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Pedro Viegas > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- The Spindle guy. http://spindle.sf.net Blog: http://jroller.com/page/glongman Other interests: http://www.squidoo.com/spaceelevator/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
